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Title: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: Nikki-La on April 23, 2010, 04:56:38 AM
      What wrongs can there be in these operations? Being pretty or special or surging? There really isn't anything wrong with them. What's wrong with wanting a symetrical face and perfect body? Wouldn't that stop bullying? Racism? Prejudice? And being pretty-minded, why not try to stop wars, fights, pollution, clear cutting, destruction? What is wrong with a world where you don't have to worry about things and can just have fun? Why not have a blissful long life? Show me the wrongs in these things! :)
Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: tridecagirl on April 23, 2010, 06:06:59 AM
Well, the wrongs in the special operation is that you're made to hate everyone else and think you're... special, which isn't healthy.
Actually, there are plenty of good things. I'd almost be willing to give up free thought to save the world - humans aren't the only species living on earth. And I'm not exactly happy knowing what life is like. As Tally says, "I think I like being fooled sometimes." (when she realizes hoverboards are actually heavy in the beginning of Uglies)
Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: Emma-la on April 23, 2010, 07:16:06 AM
Well, they're taking away freedom of speech. And in your mind. I see there are good things about the operations, but do you really think you would give up debates? Haven't you ever had "spirited debates" with friends because of your differences in how you think? It's fun! Plus, the teachers in my school also think that having uniforms takes away bullying and how we look. But they're wrong. There are different more stylish styles of pants you can buy, theres always the different hair, size, shape, and accessories that make you different and doesn't really help in bullying. At least without uniforms you can have some self-expression, even if you get bullied. That's kind of like the operation. Except the operation is worse beacause they don't only change how you look to make you feel better and take away all that stuff like bullying and racism, but they take away how you are thinking. No freedom of speech is one thing, but no freedom of mind is just horrible.

That's what's wrong with the operation.
Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: tridecagirl on April 23, 2010, 09:04:30 AM
But it can also set you free.
I'm not exactly happy, knowing all the things wrong with the world. Haven't you ever wanted to get away?
Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: kjhgdhhp. on April 23, 2010, 09:41:51 AM
But it can also set you free.
I'm not exactly happy, knowing all the things wrong with the world. Haven't you ever wanted to get away?

I think what tridecagirl (do you have a shorter nic? :)) is trying to say is that ignorance is bliss... if you're perfectly happy then it doesn't matter what you're missing, because you're perfectly happy!! :)

And I tend to agree, I love debating, having my own opinions, and all the jazz that comes with individualism, but if I was ignorant to all that, so long as I was happy what would I care? :)

when you become a member of the herd, you lose your soul

And I do agree with this, but we're all already members of heards (whether we like it or not)... there are very few true innovators in this world (I hope you enjoy the so yesterday reference =P and read it if you havn't already!! It's awesome!! =D)

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Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: tridecagirl on April 23, 2010, 09:49:29 AM
To get away from all the horrible, sad stuff that happens. To just not know is so much easier.
And IDK. Someone could make up a nickname for me. I'm not allowed to make my own.  :)
Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: kjhgdhhp. on April 23, 2010, 09:55:21 AM
To get away from all the horrible, sad stuff that happens. To just not know is so much easier.
And IDK. Someone could make up a nickname for me. I'm not allowed to make my own.  :)

Tri is too short, girl is too generic, trideca is too long... so I'm calling you deca from now on ;)

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Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: Emma-la on April 23, 2010, 09:59:35 AM
Perfect. Hey, Deca, you have a point. I just would much rather face some hardships than not have my own opinion. If we had had the operation, you realize we wouldn't be having this conversation, right? Because we would have no mind for debating. I myself adore debating things, because you can justify ANYTHING.
Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: kjhgdhhp. on April 23, 2010, 10:08:51 AM
Perfect. Hey, Deca, you have a point. I just would much rather face some hardships than not have my own opinion. If we had had the operation, you realize we wouldn't be having this conversation, right? Because we would have no mind for debating. I myself adore debating things, because you can justify ANYTHING.

Just because I'm in an antagonistic, debating kinda mood... can you justify eating your own face?!?! =P

But seriously, (if that can ever happen on this forum =P) are you saying that there are some things you wouldn't give up even for eternal happyness?

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Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: Emma-la on April 23, 2010, 10:38:05 AM
Perfect. Hey, Deca, you have a point. I just would much rather face some hardships than not have my own opinion. If we had had the operation, you realize we wouldn't be having this conversation, right? Because we would have no mind for debating. I myself adore debating things, because you can justify ANYTHING.

Just because I'm in an antagonistic, debating kinda mood... can you justify eating your own face?!?! =P


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Here's how you justify it: you are starving and hate your life. You will die anyways, so eating your own face will make you die faster.
There's your justification.
Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: tridecagirl on April 23, 2010, 11:33:26 AM
Not really... but I see the world a lot more clearly than everyone else. It's like Shay says, "We see the beauty of the world so much it almost hurts, and we want to protect it..."
Unlike my classmates, I can't forget that people are dying in bogus wars and genocides, or starving, or dying of diseases that are preventable. And it depresses me.
Deca! I love that nickname! Yay!  ;D
Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: tridecagirl on April 23, 2010, 12:06:06 PM
I just sometimes think I'd be happier not knowing, or not caring. And happiest if it wasn't happening at all. And the truth is, the bubbleheads weren't ripping up the environment like we do. And I'm a mega tree hugger.
Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: JimmyLost on April 23, 2010, 12:07:16 PM
*looks at deca's profile pic*
Really? ::)
Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: kjhgdhhp. on April 23, 2010, 05:09:32 PM
I just sometimes think I'd be happier not knowing, or not caring. And happiest if it wasn't happening at all. And the truth is, the bubbleheads weren't ripping up the environment like we do. And I'm a mega tree hugger.

So did you buy or rent that green costume?? ^_^ =P

Perfect. Hey, Deca, you have a point. I just would much rather face some hardships than not have my own opinion. If we had had the operation, you realize we wouldn't be having this conversation, right? Because we would have no mind for debating. I myself adore debating things, because you can justify ANYTHING.

Just because I'm in an antagonistic, debating kinda mood... can you justify eating your own face?!?! =P


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Here's how you justify it: you are starving and hate your life. You will die anyways, so eating your own face will make you die faster.
There's your justification.

Lmao nice one emma-la!! =D ;) I love this forum =P

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Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: Emma-la on April 24, 2010, 02:12:51 AM
Thanks. I love proving my point.  ;D
Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: Nikki-La on April 24, 2010, 04:33:56 AM
With all the bogus crap going on in the world, wouldn't it just be nice not to care...or not have anything to care about (if it wasn't happening at all)? I mean, really, there's a ton of stuff that you could be doing instead of having to freak out at every little thing. Being a bubble-head really can't be that bad.

But i do get what you're saying about debates. There is always a point to be made and always facts to back it up with. But which would you rather do, debate about whether genecide is good or bad or whether the country deserved it or not, or which country has the most starving kids and families, or which year the Earth is going to heat up to 6 degrees (even heating up by 1 degree- we're at 0.8 right now- is enough to cause hurricanes on the eastern coast of America, dry out the plains and the food sources there, and start to dry out the Amazon Rain Forest [thank you AP Environmental Science) and kill us ALL or would you rather we be debating about how we saved the planet, and us, and other people??????????

Should I even have to ask that question? If there was a sliver  of hope that we, Generation Y, could make a change and save the world, and do something that the dumb generations before us couldn't do, why would you want to pass up that kind of opertunity?  :(


PS. I love the nic you came up with for tridecagirl. Deca.........that is beyond good.
Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: tridecagirl on April 24, 2010, 05:51:30 AM
The profile pic isn't me. I'm blonde. It's just off google images. I have kissed trees though.
Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: Nikki-La on April 24, 2010, 05:55:12 AM
Wow. so nature's ur thing?
Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: tridecagirl on April 24, 2010, 05:55:46 AM
Me loves trees.  :D
Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: Nikki-La on April 24, 2010, 05:59:34 AM
Do you have AP Environmental Science at you school???
Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: tridecagirl on April 24, 2010, 06:03:21 AM
IDK I'm in the IB, so no AP classes for me.
Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: kjhgdhhp. on April 24, 2010, 09:44:11 AM
The profile pic isn't me. I'm blonde. It's just off google images. I have kissed trees though.

My dry sarcastic humour didn't shine through then?? Damn it, I'll just have to try harder next time =P

Me loves trees.  :D

Woop woop!! :) nothing beats nature ;)

...  or which year the Earth is going to heat up to 6 degrees (even heating up by 1 degree- we're at 0.8 right now- is enough to cause hurricanes on the eastern coast of America, dry out the plains and the food sources there, and start to dry out the Amazon Rain Forest [thank you AP Environmental Science) and kill us ALL or would you rather we be debating about how we saved the planet, and us, and other people??????????

Should I even have to ask that question? If there was a sliver  of hope that we, Generation Y, could make a change and save the world, and do something that the dumb generations before us couldn't do, why would you want to pass up that kind of opertunity?  :(


PS. I love the nic you came up with for tridecagirl. Deca.........that is beyond good.

Not that I would disagree that this is happening, but I don't think there's anything we as a species can do to prevent it (it's happened before, it will happen again) ... another reason i'm in favour of bubbleheadedness lol ^_^

I just sometimes think I'd be happier not knowing, or not caring. And happiest if it wasn't happening at all. And the truth is, the bubbleheads weren't ripping up the environment like we do. And I'm a mega tree hugger.

actually i think bubbleheads woulod tear the environment to shreads justt as well, and they would have more fun doing it

Are you talking about bubbleheads in our world or in Tally's?? because that makes a HUGE difference to this debate :)

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Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: kjhgdhhp. on April 25, 2010, 12:41:49 PM
Are you talking about bubbleheads in our world or in Tally's?? because that makes a HUGE difference to this debate :)

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our world

Then yeah, I totally agree with you :) it just wouldn't work in today's society, to much thought is needed for everyday life :) xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: Pedestrian on April 26, 2010, 07:08:27 AM
IDK I'm in the IB, so no AP classes for me.

HECK YEAH. MOAR IB KIDS. xDDD

Hang on...I'm going to say something of relevance after I read this topic...
Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: Pedestrian on April 26, 2010, 07:27:16 AM
i c wut u did thar.

So if we call that effect "bubblehead evolution", I can prove that western society is already reversing it.
Western society rewards intelligence. If you're smart, if you go pursue higher education, you will get a better-paying job and have a better standard of living. People who are intelligent and capable of thinking for themselves are not (always) alienated from society.

Possibly this or other factors has led to something called the Flynn effect--an overall increase in average IQ scores in developed countries over time.
Anti-bubblehead evolution.
Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: Pedestrian on April 26, 2010, 08:21:13 AM
Interesting, but can you clarify your point in relation to what I said?

That higher education =/= thinking for yourself?
Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: Nikki-La on April 27, 2010, 04:20:57 AM
But what about that thing where people's beliefs are reinforce after they are with a group that believe the samething that they do? (Sorry i can't remember what it's call- AP Psych failed me lol). But wouldn't it happen when people of high intelligence are gathered together for a cause like that? Wouldn't they just become their own clique, in turn making it so that they become bubbleheaded and because they'll be doing exactly as the bubbleheads do?

You can see the effect on TV, movies, books. It really does happen. And by doing that, they just become bubbleheads themselves and then what do you have? Just bubbleheads that happen to have higher IQs than others.

And evolutionarily speaking, if the Flynn effect does take hold, it won't really matter because then there won't be anyone who will be extraordinarily smart because everyone will be of the same intelligence.
Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: Nikki-La on April 27, 2010, 04:43:40 AM
whats IB???
Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: Emma-la on April 27, 2010, 06:18:32 AM
International Baclaureat (or however you spell that)
Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: Nikki-La on April 28, 2010, 04:07:48 AM
never heard of it before. what is it?
Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: Emma-la on April 28, 2010, 04:17:42 AM
Er, well, I don't understand it very well. google it?
Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: Nikki-La on April 28, 2010, 04:23:50 AM
o wow. i lookd it up. thats crazy chizz.
Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: Emma-la on April 28, 2010, 04:25:07 AM
It is. My sister was in it and it got too hard, so she dropped out.
Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: Nikki-La on April 28, 2010, 04:28:13 AM
and here i thought AP Psych was a killer. i'd never be able to do IB.
(APES is easy-peasy though)
it it just a whole school thing you go to or is it certain classes?
Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: tridecagirl on April 28, 2010, 06:33:40 AM
I'm IB. It's all high school long and most of your classes.
Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: Nikki-La on April 29, 2010, 04:03:53 AM
whats it like?
Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: Nikki-La on May 02, 2010, 07:27:22 AM
wouldnt it be cool to be a pretty or a special though???
Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: tridecagirl on May 02, 2010, 11:53:25 AM
IB is a lot of work, no control over your schedule... but it's supposed to be worth it.
I wouldn't want to be special. Too nuts. Being pretty might be nice. I'm not exactly a looker.  :P
Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: kjhgdhhp. on May 02, 2010, 11:55:27 AM
IB is a lot of work, no control over your schedule... but it's supposed to be worth it.
I wouldn't want to be special. Too nuts. Being pretty might be nice. I'm not exactly a looker.  :P

But you are a tree hugger... which makes you ****** awesome!!  ;D xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: tridecagirl on May 02, 2010, 11:56:09 AM
Tell that to the boys at my school.
Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: kjhgdhhp. on May 02, 2010, 12:25:21 PM
Tell that to the boys at my school.

Bring them online... I ******* well will ;) xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Title: Re: Show Me The Wrongs In The Operations: Pretty, Special, Surges
Post by: Nikki-La on May 03, 2010, 07:54:00 AM
yeah.
i want the operation 4 that 2. i wanna be the hottest chick @ school