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Title: The cutters
Post by: Tabac vie on June 09, 2010, 03:59:34 AM
I wanted to Discuss the similarities and differences of cutting in todays society and how it is potrayed in the books.

Also open to any other variation revolving around that subject.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: LoisFleem on June 09, 2010, 06:05:14 AM
Well i am a cutter....in real life..lol...........and to make a comparison...in his books they cut for clarity....and that is exactly what i do......but the difference is those days that i cut out of anger or sadness..........im not trying to be clear..im just trying to get rid of pain..
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Shay-la-wa on June 09, 2010, 07:45:09 AM
Hmmm... I would cut for clarity... No other reason.
CUTTERS ROCK!
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: LoisFleem on June 09, 2010, 10:36:41 AM
whoop whoop :)
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Chloe-Wa on June 10, 2010, 12:14:27 AM
occasionally for clarity, more often because i'm angry or upset
i think for most people who cut in our society its a way of emotional relief, rather than clarity like it is in the books... in our society, cutting for clarity to me means to help you understand how you feel, whereas in the books i think its more like to remove the "cloud" that the pretty-op causes in people's brains and to see the world in a more clear way and understand the world for what it is beyond societies restrictions
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Tabac vie on June 10, 2010, 09:00:45 AM
I have never been a cutter myself but I had a friend in high school who was (and eventually died from it) who cut as a way to get rid of clarity that only when she was cutting could she forget. Is cutting something that is unique to a person? Because in the book what got me is that none of these people had anything to really be emotional in that way about, at least on the surface. What I find interesting is that despite the fact that the world was supposed to be perfect the same anger and selfloathing is still there. That I find very interesting.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Tabac vie on June 10, 2010, 09:33:10 AM
yes. Seriously it was a very difficult thing to go through. me and several of her friends tried to help her but..... It's not something to laugh about or to start just for the hell of it. it's an illness.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: shadley on June 10, 2010, 09:34:41 AM
Although I wouldn't cut in our world, I would for clarity if I were stuck in the position of the Pretties with their brain lesions.  I'm biased though, Team Shay all the way! Lol that rhymes.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Tabac vie on June 10, 2010, 10:25:54 AM
It's frightening to think of needing clarity enough to cut yourself in that manner....of course even in todays society I don't understand cutting...well I understand it I just never saw the appeal...when I needed to release anger or to forget something I pushed myself into physical attivity
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: shadley on June 10, 2010, 10:35:38 AM
Me too, it's the exact same with me.  I understand but I don't see the appeal. I'm a runner so anytime I need to release some anger or any emotion I run.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Chloe-Wa on June 11, 2010, 08:43:09 AM
I agree that it is serious, and its annoying to me when people think that its just something to do for a bit of attention or because they want to look "tough". i saw your posts on the confessions topic, tabac vie, and i'm sorry about your friend, its clear that you tried to help but its true that people have to want to change, and cutting is difficult to break out of 
i think cutting is something that is unique to a person, sometimes for me it helps me feel more in control which is weird because when i think about it i suppose its actually something out of control. if i'm upset then its just a way to block some of the problems out and sort of numb everything. or if i'm angry then its the only way i can take out my frustration. i also feel guilty really easily, even if something isn't my fault at all, so sometimes i'll cut myself to make myself feel that i have punished myself, which i know sounds strange.... i can't explain specific reasons, i can just explain how i have done, partly because i don't really like explaining things that upset me, partly because sometimes i actually don't know why i feel the way i do
its something that i don't like doing, but it helps, and difficult because its something that is a constant secret. i've been trying to stop but it isn't easy (i stopped for a while when people first found out, then it became very occassional, and gradually it got worse again, although i don't think its ever been as frequent as it was when i first started, the cuts are much worse now)
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Pedestrian on June 11, 2010, 09:20:33 AM
The cutters in the Uglies series cut for clarity, yes. But I think there's this idea behind that which makes it similar to real life cutting. Chloe-wa sort of mentioned this.
In the psychology of self harm, sometimes people cut because there's this idea that it's better to be in pain than to feel nothing, and cutting at least makes them feel something. That's how the pretty cutters clique got started, as a cure to feeling nothing. As pretties, they didn't feel real emotion since they were in a pretty haze all the time. They cut themselves so they could.

There are people in our society who cut so that they can feel something. A lot of people who have depression aren't actually sad all the time, they're just really, really apathetic about life. And if they hate feeling that way, they might try to do anything just to feel something else. But I think most people who cut do the opposite, that they're trying to relieve stress or emotion, not induce it.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Mara-la on June 11, 2010, 09:37:41 AM
Cutting is bad. Wow - state the obvious.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: LoisFleem on June 11, 2010, 11:51:10 AM
Pedestrian. . . . Agreed. . But an exception is unusual days. . . I cut when i feel so much inward pain i need an escape. And outward pain allows that. I have times of plain disappointment and i dont know what im feeling so i cut to feel anything.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Chloe-Wa on June 11, 2010, 09:48:17 PM
i understand that feeling of disappointment, i'm such a perfectionist and if i don't do something right or to my standards then i get so angry with myself and so upset, and even if no-one says anything, i feel like everyone else thinks i'm stupid or is disappointed in me too
often, its difficult to say what you feel or to tell someone else how you feel... there have been times when i have had so many things going on in my head and just not been able to deal with them on my own, but by telling other people i feel weak and i'm always terrified that people will think i'm being stupid or laugh at me, so cutting is another way to deal with it without me burdening others
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Shay-la-wa on June 11, 2010, 11:48:19 PM
I'm a pessimistic perfectionist who can't get anything right...
Very depressing...
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Tabac vie on June 12, 2010, 01:48:36 AM
anyone who does cut, is there anything else that you really enjoy doing? I mean because i know the feelings that your taking about but instead of cutting I always run, which in a way is feeling something, the push to go farther and the fight against the clock. I mean have you ever tried something else?
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: LoisFleem on June 12, 2010, 01:49:24 AM
I feel so not alone it this. . . In a bad way it makes me happii. I mean. . Its bad because i shouldnt be happii other ppl cut and feel depressed. Its just good to not be alone.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Tabac vie on June 12, 2010, 01:53:21 AM
seriously Fleemerbuddy we are all here for you. I mean we all seem to support one another on this forum.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: LoisFleem on June 12, 2010, 02:19:56 AM
Ahh thank you thank you thank you.   
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Mara-la on June 12, 2010, 04:32:28 AM
Yeah, I agree. With pretty much everything. Yes, we're all here, yes it's bad to cut, yes, there ARE other methods. Try them. They may work for you. Nobody's life is ever rainbows and happiness all the time.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Chloe-Wa on June 12, 2010, 06:55:00 AM
i agree, fleemerbuddy, it is in a weird way better to feel like you're not alone, i suppose, for me at least, it makes me feel like i'm less odd, because in my experience people find out that you cut yourself and automatically judge you as a freak
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: LoisFleem on June 12, 2010, 07:06:42 AM
Oh gah yeah Chloe. . I mean.  .   . Its these stupid sterotypes! I cant stand them!
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Chloe-Wa on June 12, 2010, 07:55:29 AM
so true, just because you cut yourself people say youre emo or weird or whatever :P
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: shadley on June 15, 2010, 06:08:02 AM
Yea don't get pressured into a stereotype, there's this girl at my school who cuts and I think it's mainly because everyone thinks she is emo or whatever so she wants to act like it, cause I'm from a whole other circle of friends and this girl and I get along and, to be honest, she doesn't even seem emo.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Chloe-Wa on June 16, 2010, 02:17:07 AM
if you self harm because you "fit the stereotype" its the wrong reason
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: LoisFleem on June 16, 2010, 05:16:47 AM
ugh exactly.............according to the worlds standards i dont fit the sterotype. im giddy and happii. i love to have fun. i have friends...and i dont dress in chains and all black. i mean c'mon/
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Chloe-Wa on June 16, 2010, 08:53:47 AM
same, although i did have (and deeply regret) a weird emo phase, when i look at photos of myself then  :-[  and even then i still had friends and i was always very happy and had a lot of fun, it was about clothes and music not cutting, that's something that comes from how you feel, not how you dress and what your taste in music is. and even now, i'm not into the whole "emo" thing, i cut, and i'm one of those super-girly girls who you wouldn't expect it of, because i don't fit the stereotype
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Shay-la-wa on June 16, 2010, 08:56:18 AM
I don't cut, but I also don't have any escape from my horrible life. I'm gonna wear all black soon, and dye my hair black; my bangs cover half my face. I like rock music. I call myself "emo", but really it's not too fitting.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: shadley on June 16, 2010, 11:47:17 AM
This is just my opinion but I think some people cut themselves because they can't cut what they really need to, the thing that makes them cut.  Ok that sounds really weird. what i mean is when people cut they are cutting themselves when they should the things making them cut should be what they are cutting out. sorry, no matter how I say it, it sounds weird. Anyone know what I mean?
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Mara-la on June 16, 2010, 10:05:43 PM
I get it. Cutting is really dangerous. It could lead to suicide.

Suicide = a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

Who agrees with that?
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Shay-la-wa on June 17, 2010, 12:00:02 AM
Nope. because when you die, you get reincarnated as something else.
Also, problems just aren't temporary.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Chloe-Wa on June 17, 2010, 04:13:35 AM
i know what seth-la means i think- basically you think people cut because they can't deal with their problems, so they take it out on themselves??
suicide and cutting are different things- sometimes people cut to attempt suicide, often not
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: LoisFleem on June 17, 2010, 06:40:16 AM
Well...im living a slow suicide anyways..so cutting helps me cope until the end comes.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Shay-la-wa on June 17, 2010, 07:40:26 AM
Everyone has an end someday...
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: LoisFleem on June 17, 2010, 07:56:23 AM
yesyes
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Lorelai-wa on June 17, 2010, 08:18:49 AM
Well i am a cutter....in real life..lol...........and to make a comparison...in his books they cut for clarity....and that is exactly what i do......but the difference is those days that i cut out of anger or sadness..........im not trying to be clear..im just trying to get rid of pain..


so shouldn't cut urself thats bad u might cut urself wrong and bleed to death.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: LoisFleem on June 17, 2010, 08:19:42 AM
ha........................................maybe maybe maybe........
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Lorelai-wa on June 17, 2010, 08:19:58 AM
where do you cut urself?
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: shadley on June 17, 2010, 08:31:36 AM
Yeah chloe that was exactly what I meant, some people just have problems that they can't deal with so they cut. and also Team shay you said people get reincarnated but then you contradicted yourself saying things come to an end.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: LoisFleem on June 17, 2010, 01:30:30 PM
um on my body..hahah................when i attempted suicide it was my viens on my wrist...........................so i have 10 huge ones there.....slowly going away...but i dont want them gone completely........and a lot on my leg.......that can go away asap.

<<talking about scars............and newer ones on my leg.>>
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Shay-la-wa on June 18, 2010, 01:57:53 AM
You attempted suicide? :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: LoisFleem on June 18, 2010, 05:17:48 AM
oh er.......yah
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Shay-la-wa on June 18, 2010, 05:18:12 AM
 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Mara-la on June 18, 2010, 07:02:54 AM
Holy ****. Pardon my French, but why? Like I said: suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Shay-la-wa on June 18, 2010, 07:06:43 AM
That's what I want to know, too... But don't be so mean to her about it.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Mara-la on June 18, 2010, 07:09:25 AM
I dont mean to be mean. I'm just suprised. Really surprised. 
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Shay-la-wa on June 18, 2010, 07:10:20 AM
I'm surprised, too. But mostly sad.  :'(
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Mara-la on June 18, 2010, 07:11:05 AM
I feel bad for being rude now.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: shadley on June 18, 2010, 08:19:41 AM
Don't feel bad you were just trying to let her know you care and don't want her to die. :)
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: LoisFleem on June 18, 2010, 10:15:28 AM
well.......i mean.........people go through sh**...and i was definitely going through it...Depression hit hard and i needed a way out. I wanted to be hospitalized..but my family wouldnt let me...........I hated myself for the longest time. Suicide is still a mental pain i go through everyday.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: shadley on June 18, 2010, 10:29:44 AM
You know I have some thoughts about suicide too. Mine are mostly curiousity about death, but in a book I read one of the characters said "I'm always reading a good book, that way I can't kill myself because I have to finish it" I think that would be a great help. I think everyone thinks the thoughts we do, some just think them subconsciously or are in denial. They think if I don't acknowledge it, it isn't true. So don't feel alone. :)
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Lorelai-wa on June 18, 2010, 10:33:05 AM
I like the book idea. i want to kill myself before too but never atempted because i know o would go to hell.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: LoisFleem on June 18, 2010, 10:33:39 AM
Oh my...i havnt actually ever thought of the whole book thing...thats awesome.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: LoisFleem on June 18, 2010, 10:34:43 AM
Ty...no..you wouldnt go to hell..you and i are both christians....If you kill yourself you dont go to hell.. If you are baptised then you are promised eternal life in Heaven...so dear..you will just stand before God in judgement........
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Lorelai-wa on June 18, 2010, 10:35:59 AM
you just have to get a very long list of books going so you won't run out. um well at my church thats what we belivie that if you kill ur self you go to hell.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: LoisFleem on June 18, 2010, 10:37:36 AM
Well Tyler.... I honestly dont know.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: shadley on June 18, 2010, 10:38:33 AM
That's what my church says too, but we also say that what happens to everyone is up to God. and no one knows what the Big guy will decide.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: LoisFleem on June 18, 2010, 10:39:16 AM
exactly...we will stand before the seat of judgment.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Lorelai-wa on June 18, 2010, 10:43:12 AM
True.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: shadley on June 18, 2010, 10:45:57 AM
Yes, but that could be true for someone who maybe had christian qualities but was never introduced to the church or baptism, so I guess It's up in the air for everyone. Except those of us who were baptised, but when it comes to suicide with us I think like you: the seat of Judgement. :)
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: LoisFleem on June 18, 2010, 10:48:36 AM
mhm :/
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: shadley on June 18, 2010, 10:58:10 AM
I also think that there shouldn't be so many divisions among christian religion, as Patrick Henry and George Washington both said "United we stand, divided we fall". As god's children we shouldn't focus on our differences in the religion we should focus on our common love of God.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: LoisFleem on June 18, 2010, 10:58:48 AM
Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Lorelai-wa on June 18, 2010, 10:59:23 AM
That is true and might help this country.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: shadley on June 18, 2010, 11:04:41 AM
I hope as the next generation we can help it happen. I live about an hour from my church so no one from there goes to my school, but I still have friends who are christian but go to other churches. I think the past generations just didn't have this type of experience.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: LoisFleem on June 18, 2010, 11:06:07 AM
YAY..TY AND SETH are my christian buddys :)
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: shadley on June 18, 2010, 11:07:49 AM
You can never have too many Christian budds. ;D
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Shay-la-wa on June 18, 2010, 11:14:26 AM
I don't believe in God. But even if I did, I'd go to Hell anyway, meh.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: LoisFleem on June 18, 2010, 11:15:21 AM
well i still love you to death Megan
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: shadley on June 18, 2010, 11:17:28 AM
That's all right. I know you said you were going through depression, if you do need someone to talk to God is always open. :)
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Shay-la-wa on June 18, 2010, 11:19:31 AM
Well, I doubt God would like to talk to me. I'm an athiest, you see.
And Tyler-wa... :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: LoisFleem on June 18, 2010, 11:21:22 AM
............what about me kisses???
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Shay-la-wa on June 18, 2010, 11:22:26 AM
lol here  :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: LoisFleem on June 18, 2010, 11:24:02 AM
yay!
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Shay-la-wa on June 18, 2010, 11:25:24 AM
You both get kisses yay! And I'm happier now!
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: shadley on June 18, 2010, 11:33:23 AM
Thats good. ;D
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Shay-la-wa on June 18, 2010, 11:34:17 AM
WHO ASKED YOU? lol jk  ;D
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: LoisFleem on June 18, 2010, 11:36:13 AM
hhahhhha  :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* here are kisses for everyone
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Shay-la-wa on June 18, 2010, 11:36:48 AM
 :-*
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: shadley on June 18, 2010, 11:37:59 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Lorelai-wa on June 18, 2010, 12:08:53 PM
Well, I doubt God would like to talk to me. I'm an athiest, you see.
And Tyler-wa... :-* :-* :-*

LOL! u and that inside joke!


and i love Christian buddies!
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Mara-la on June 20, 2010, 12:20:40 AM
I'm kinda.... um.... gypsy.... and christian.... and hindu....
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Shay-la-wa on June 20, 2010, 12:22:21 AM
I'm atheist...
And Satanist... lol kidding.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Mara-la on June 20, 2010, 12:23:52 AM
I'm neutral. Too many religions in my fam.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Shay-la-wa on June 20, 2010, 12:24:28 AM
I don't have one. Or want one, either. Special is enough.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Mara-la on June 20, 2010, 12:29:52 AM
*snort* lol
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: shadley on June 20, 2010, 03:30:47 AM
Speaking of religion wasn't it weird/cool how Tally's people thought of the Rusties Gods as Super heroes in the sky.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Lorelai-wa on June 20, 2010, 03:45:35 AM
they did? i thought andrew thought that of tally's people?
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Mara-la on June 20, 2010, 04:47:13 AM
That's not the only book that says god is a "superhero of the sky". Skinned by Robin Wasserman has the same theory.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Shay-la-wa on June 20, 2010, 04:48:46 AM
Hmm... Did they steal it from him? Or the other way around?
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Mara-la on June 20, 2010, 04:50:22 AM
idk. I think Uglies was out first, but I don't think Robin read it. Huh.... great minds think alike?
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: LoisFleem on June 20, 2010, 04:50:42 AM
thats our difference Team Shay.....Im a Christian.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Mara-la on June 20, 2010, 04:51:52 AM
I have alot of religions behind me.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Shay-la-wa on June 20, 2010, 04:52:20 AM
I don't ever want a religion. I believe what I choose, not what someone else already decided for me.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Mara-la on June 20, 2010, 04:53:32 AM
That's why I'm neutral to them all. I do all the celebrations, but no prayers. (Christmas, Diwali to give some ex)
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Shay-la-wa on June 20, 2010, 04:55:04 AM
I do Christmas and Easter, and all those other big holidays, but not the traditional way. Just the fun stuff and presents and big dinners and such.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Mara-la on June 20, 2010, 04:56:49 AM
Yep!
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Lorelai-wa on June 20, 2010, 04:58:03 AM
I am a christian
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Mara-la on June 20, 2010, 04:59:45 AM
To me, religions are all the same, but represented by different people in different ways. No offence to anyone that strongly believes in their religion.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Lorelai-wa on June 20, 2010, 05:50:32 AM
None taken.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Mara-la on June 20, 2010, 09:26:04 AM
Do you see my point at all?
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Evin-chan on June 20, 2010, 10:59:35 AM
uh... no
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: shadley on June 20, 2010, 11:56:24 AM
Yea, I said it the other day. We should all come together and focus on our common beliefs instead of our differences. And I think Robin Wasserman stole it, if you notice scott westerfeld has a review on the book or well a quote or whatever, recommendation. Yeah I think thats the word.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Chloe-Wa on June 21, 2010, 03:27:54 AM
the thing you're talking about, seth-la, about focussing on the similarities in religions and not the differences does exist, its known as ecumenism and lots of christians do projects with it and follow it in order to help avoid prejudice, to make people get on better, and to find solutions to problems as a whole united in having beliefs rather than as enemies who have variations in what they believe
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Mara-la on June 21, 2010, 08:06:54 AM
What about my statement that Evin clearly dosen't get.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Chloe-Wa on June 22, 2010, 02:31:03 AM
your statement makes a lot of sense, mara-la, most mono-theistic religions are founded on very similar ideas
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Mara-la on June 22, 2010, 03:34:45 AM
Okay - as long as someone gets it.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Shay-la-wa on June 22, 2010, 07:31:05 AM
Once, a long time ago, someone decided there was a greater being. All religions evolved from this. And then went extreme.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: shadley on June 22, 2010, 07:38:51 AM
Yeah I get what you were talking about Mara. and I hope ecumenism spreads and eventually takes over.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Chloe-Wa on June 22, 2010, 08:13:14 AM
:D i like the idea of ecumenism, because it allows people to still have different beliefs while getting on. i don't like the idea of merging all religions into one, which was expressed on the religion topic a while ago, because it's nice to have different religions and ideas
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: shadley on June 22, 2010, 08:14:29 AM
Of course, but we should at least agree on some basic things and get along as god's children. ;D
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Chloe-Wa on June 22, 2010, 08:14:57 AM
indeed, its nice to get along :)
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Shay-la-wa on June 22, 2010, 08:15:32 AM
But we're not God's children! Or I'm not, at least.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Chloe-Wa on June 22, 2010, 08:19:06 AM
i didn't say i was either, i've been unsure of religion for a while so i try to keep an open mind until i'm certain. but either way, as civil human beings we should try to get on with each other and be tolerant
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: shadley on June 22, 2010, 08:19:42 AM
Well those of us who have come to the conclusion that we are.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: shadley on June 22, 2010, 08:21:41 AM
I agre Chloe-wa
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Chloe-Wa on June 22, 2010, 08:25:18 AM
thankyou seth-la :) you don't have to be religious to agree with some of the things that religion teaches
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Shay-la-wa on June 22, 2010, 08:26:03 AM
Actually, I think you kind of do.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Chloe-Wa on June 22, 2010, 08:27:59 AM
not really, a lot of religious teachings are just basic morals, you don't necessarily even learn them from religion, you just know them and they often agree with religious ideas- not killing is something that most people agree with to some extent and thats taught in most religions; being faithful to your partner is another taught in religion and agreed with by most people...
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: shadley on June 22, 2010, 08:28:50 AM
No you could agree we were created by something, but not always god. or you could believe in sin and temptation.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Shay-la-wa on June 22, 2010, 08:33:07 AM
Well, I think that morals are annoying. But faithfulness and not killing... Well, Tally needs a bit of those, to say the least.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Chloe-Wa on June 22, 2010, 08:35:08 AM
hmm, maybe she does in parts of the books, she can be quite mean
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Shay-la-wa on June 22, 2010, 08:35:37 AM
Yeah, and traitorous.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Chloe-Wa on June 22, 2010, 08:37:40 AM
i quite liked her for most of the series, i didn't like her much in extras though
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: shadley on June 22, 2010, 08:38:19 AM
and boy-friend stealing.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Shay-la-wa on June 22, 2010, 08:39:07 AM
Totes. Poor Shay...
On second thought, it formed their un-friend plot.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Mara-la on June 22, 2010, 09:25:17 AM
Meesaconfused.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: shadley on June 22, 2010, 09:26:37 AM
It also gave Shay her independence, and the betrayel in the 2nd book gave her the Cutters. ;D
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Mara-la on June 22, 2010, 09:27:21 AM
*shrug* I guess.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Shay-la-wa on June 22, 2010, 09:28:34 AM
Yeah!
CUTTERS 4 LIFE!
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Mara-la on June 22, 2010, 09:30:03 AM
:D
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: LoisFleem on June 23, 2010, 12:57:32 AM
i er...stand as a cutter for reallll due to last night.....damnit. fail.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Mara-la on June 23, 2010, 01:05:27 AM
WHY? ??? ???
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: LoisFleem on June 23, 2010, 01:06:11 AM
I um.......have issues..lol
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Mara-la on June 23, 2010, 01:08:10 AM
damn..... you should try different things. i mentioned a bunch of other things to do when you're depressed.... maybe you could test them. we all have our own issues, there are just some different methods of dealing with it.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: LoisFleem on June 23, 2010, 01:08:42 AM
I have..trust me..I have been this way for five years. So yah.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Mara-la on June 23, 2010, 01:10:24 AM
So? You can always change. You don't have to be like that for your whole life.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: LoisFleem on June 23, 2010, 01:12:00 AM
Um im not ignorant. I am pretty sure i know about myself better than anyone else. SO yep. This is me. And i accept it.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Mara-la on June 23, 2010, 01:14:20 AM
*sigh* okay. I just wish that people would stop self harm. But if that's who you think you are, then go ahead.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: LoisFleem on June 23, 2010, 01:16:20 AM
Wow..This has angered me for some reason. You really dont know who i am, You dont know my life..You dont know what i have been through...And you dont know why i cut..Its not WHO i am..It a disease i have had for quite some time. And if you ARENT  a cutter...then you might not want to make a statement about it. Ok? Thanks.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Mara-la on June 23, 2010, 01:19:35 AM
Okay.... sorry... I didn't mean it.  :-[
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: LoisFleem on June 23, 2010, 01:21:23 AM
I mean..Don't you think i wish people would stop self harm also? I dont like support it...But i dont know why i cut. I dont know why i cant stop. Everyone that i know that has cut cant ever 100% let it go.... I am sorry for getting angry.
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Mara-la on June 23, 2010, 01:25:25 AM
Okay..... wanna leave it at that?

How bout I start the new convo with "BLAH BLAH BLAH" lolzzz  ;D
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: LoisFleem on June 23, 2010, 01:28:24 AM
SHAALALALALLALLLLLA BLAH
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Mara-la on June 23, 2010, 01:30:25 AM
lol
Do you like Ke$ha?
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: LoisFleem on June 23, 2010, 01:33:30 AM
yahhh she be good
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Mara-la on June 23, 2010, 01:51:43 AM
Which is your fav song?
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: shadley on June 23, 2010, 07:33:23 AM
I like her songs, but I don't like her on stage. What's up with the indian headress?( I think on stage she tries to be too Lady Gaga)
Title: Re: The cutters
Post by: Mara-la on June 23, 2010, 09:40:02 AM
Lol... Ya, way weird.