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Title: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Julia The Bookworm on November 10, 2015, 02:00:26 PM
 Since I'm a little over halfway through Zeroes I thought I'd make this thread.

I'm surprised how dark and mature it is.

Not that the majority of Westerfeld's books aren't happy-go-lucky, but Krokodill drug dealers?
My sister, who is an intensive care unit has told me stories of her co-workers who had patients who had gotten high off of that and went into a destructive, mad, zombie-like state who didn't remember anything when the drug war off..
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Panzercrappitastica on November 10, 2015, 02:04:09 PM
Yeeaaaaaah .-. I really don't know what to say about that. But yeah.
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on July 31, 2017, 07:21:12 AM
a l r i g h t, necroposting, whatev, can we pls aknowledge the fact that Swarm kept a digital murder diary??? or something??? and it was never aknowledged or explained??? like after Kelsie broke his phone or whatever that was just that and no one ever talked about it again???? am i the only one who found that super weird???
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on July 31, 2017, 07:23:00 AM
Wait what? I do not remember this :o
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on July 31, 2017, 07:28:33 AM
yeah when he confronted Kels that night she had that sleepover with Chizara, he was doing a video diary on his phone (I think? it was kinda unclear), it was super easy to miss because it only happened for like a paragraph and then Kelsie took his phone, but it was still p weird
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on July 31, 2017, 07:56:08 AM
I'll have to go back and reread that. Maybe they purposely included it and it will be a Chekhov's Gun type thing
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChekovsGun
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on July 31, 2017, 08:01:32 AM
most likely, but still kinda funny
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on July 31, 2017, 08:04:13 AM
Speaking of which, can we talking about how creepy Swarm was?? Like, damn that got dark, even compared to the first book.
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on July 31, 2017, 08:30:22 AM
oh god yes, he was so so scary, but i also really liked him because he was probably the worst villian they could have written for the zeroes to face off against. like he represents everything that they're afraid of, and it was s o  c o o l to see how they dealt with it. but yes he definetly was real fucking creepy
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on July 31, 2017, 08:50:32 AM
I like how they made him just a really messed-up-in-the-head kid instead of a villain with actual goals because he represented what any of them could become.
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on July 31, 2017, 08:54:34 AM
yes! exactly that! since book 1 a lot of the characters have been grappling with the fact that they could become super evil in like, no time at all, and to be presented with someone exactly like them who did exactly that was really freaking cool to read

actually, while we're at it, what was ur opinion on Ren and Davey? i don't really know what to think about those guys
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on July 31, 2017, 09:02:21 AM
Yeah, me neither. I think Coin's (forgot which one he is tbh) powers were a little confusing and underutilized, something about the characters kind of seemed.. off to me though? I'm not sure how to explain it
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on July 31, 2017, 09:09:13 AM
Coin = Davey, yyeeeeah it seemed like they were trying to set those two up as if their powers where flips of each other, but without actual first hand explanations of how the powers work (like with the other characters) it was kinda confusing. i hope that Ren (aka Glitch) shows up in the next book , cuz i kinda don't wanna have that loose end floating around and driving me crazy.

idk u could try to explain it if u wanted? im curious now
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on July 31, 2017, 09:11:31 AM
Yeah, maybe she'll show up in the big showdown of Zeroes powers. That is, if she's not dead...

It's been awhile since I read the book so it's hard to articulate my thoughts since I barely remember them but they seemed kind of underdeveloped as far as their motivations went, like their actions seemed a little too over the top to be realistic I guess?
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on July 31, 2017, 09:15:50 AM
i can see that being an issue, in the book their motivations were basically just "¯\_(ツ)_/¯ they're kinda dicks and also about to die ¯\_(ツ)_/¯", which isn't particularly satisfying, but not too unusual for a bunch of asshole teenagers imo
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on July 31, 2017, 09:18:51 AM
True, but those characters should have more motivation than just being asshole teenagers given that the six main characters are also asshole teenagers
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on July 31, 2017, 09:26:28 AM
ye tru, and the six do still have well developed motivations even tho half of them don't want anything to do with the plot unless their literally forced to take part, so i guess Ren and Davey look kinda shallow in comparison
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Post by: Catvomitsky on July 31, 2017, 09:30:13 AM
Yeah, my main issue with R & D is that they were introduced only to further the plot but not really developed as characters

Which three want to be involved with the plot? :P
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on July 31, 2017, 09:34:53 AM
tru, that could be fixed in this next book tho, we'll see

Nate, in his own weird scewed way, and to some extent Kelsie and Flicker, although Kelsie only because she has Emotional Connections to the conflicts in both books and Flicker is kinda just... along for the ride i guess, at least the way i read it
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on July 31, 2017, 09:35:32 AM
Flicker just wants to help her friends, what a sweet summer child
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on July 31, 2017, 09:40:08 AM
a sweet vaguely stalkerish child who's very existence is a privacy invasion, and who may or may not have some issues to work out, but yeah tru
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on July 31, 2017, 09:46:35 AM
a sweet vaguely stalkerish child who's very existence is a privacy invasion
Professor X in a nutshell. Or basically any telepathic character

True, but Flicker is probably the least messed up out of all of them. She has a family that supports her, powers that actually help her (even if they can lead to stalkerish tendencies), and no deep-rooted psychotic, manipulative, or sadistic tendencies that we know of
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on July 31, 2017, 10:01:47 AM
o yeah definetly the most well adjusted character, that's not saying much but yeah.

after reading Zeroes i thought she was gonna take a bit of a turn and be more chaotic nuetral as the series progressed because 1) stalkerish tendencies, even in a circumstance where the guy expressly didn't want to be stalked (even tho it turned out ok), and 2) she's friends with Nate, like actual geniune friends, and that has to rub off on you in some way, or at least influence your thinking a bit. but then Swarm happened and she did the opposite of that, so now i don't know what to believe

i was actually really suprised by her in swarm. in book one she was established as a really smart, slightly devious, but well meaning character who knew she seemed sweet and innocent and used that fact to her advantage, but then in swarm she turned out to be actually just sweet and innocent, with no hints of her previous deviousness. maybe im just reading too much into it, idk

does this make sense? no, probably not
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on July 31, 2017, 10:09:57 AM
Yes it does make total sense, and I actually agree that the darker elements of her personality (i.e. being stalkerish, being willing to go along with Nate's manipulativeness) weren't explored as much as they could've been. But I understand why; Swarm had Kelsie, Chizara, and Nate to explore the dark sides of, and adding Flicker to the mix would've made for cluttered character arcs. Plus, they needed a foil in Flicker. I think most characters like that aren't only "bad" depending on the circumstance, maybe we'll see more if that side of her in the third book.
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on July 31, 2017, 10:20:41 AM
idk, i think that exploring the darker sides of the characters in kinda like, the point of the the book. every character had their moments in Swarm where they were faced with the fact that they're Kinda Creepy, except for Flicker, even tho the setup was already there for her. personally it would have been more fulfilling if she had gotten in on that action too, while still being able to be a ray of sunshine

i agree with u the last part tho. she's only shady in certian circumstances, i.e. when the situation calls for shadiness. Nexus is almost certantly gonna have situations where shadiness is necessary, so im holding out hope
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on July 31, 2017, 10:26:41 AM
That's true, but I think the focus was more on the developing creepiness of Kelsie (because of Swarm), Chizara, and to an extent Nate. The first book focused more on Ethan and Anon's problems which were carried out in the second book. So that leaves the third one to explore Flicker and continue Nate's budding character arc. I agree that they should've at least had some of Flicker's internal conflict show up in Swarm though.
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on July 31, 2017, 10:38:43 AM
tru i suppose

i just realized that i can't wait to see how much Ethan's powers fuck shit up in the beginning of the book, cuz like... thats how all the plot in this series starts
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on July 31, 2017, 10:43:57 AM
I really wonder what they're gonna do with Ethan in the next book. Everything seems to be leading up to him being pivotal.

Ok but, do you think they're gonna kill off one of the main 6? I honestly think they might
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on July 31, 2017, 10:53:44 AM
that's true, which is Kinda Concerning given Ethans... everything... don't get me wrong i love the guy he's just Very Unreliable

if they do i think it's either gonna be Anon or Nate. Nate has the whole "i'd do anything for the team" thing going on, and Anon has worried enough about his own death that i'm starting to get a bit concerned for him cuz Foreshadowing. although, i really hope they don't, because i feel like if they did it would just be a waste of a perfectly good character. like, i really want to see all these characters struggle and have a hard time and be miserable, but i also want to see them come out on the other side, y'know? that would be really nice and uplifting. (also they absolutely can't kill of Kelsie or Chizara, come on guys don't kill another lesbian), idk hbu?
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on July 31, 2017, 10:59:44 AM
Yeah I love Ethan but he really concerns me. Has the guy ever made a good decision in his life?

I don't think they'll kill off Anon for precisely that reason. The death metaphor from Swarm would be too apt. I agree that they could kill off Nate (the most likely option, imo) because he definitely would sacrifice himself for the team. It could show him the consequences of being in charge and show his growth from a manipulative leader to a selfless one. They could also kill off Kelsie or Ethan, just because they both make the type of decisions that could get them killed, and they're definitely the characters the plot revolves around the most. I can't see Flicker or Chizara getting killed.
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on July 31, 2017, 11:14:23 AM
yeah that's basically Ethan in a nutshell. he's my favorite character for that exact reason, he such a fuck up, and sometimes it isn't even his fault, but he without fail makes every situation worse. there's just so much going on with him, and i can't wait to see the resolution to his arc and find out how they tie up all his bullcrap. I really really hope he gets a happy ending, but i can totally see him getting killed off because he's so terrible at being a person.

Kelsie is... very reckless, and she's kinda terrible at self preservation, but im hoping that'll get cleared up during Nexus enough where she stops intentionally doing things that could kill her. I'm hoping that for both Kels and Ethan actually, because seeing them in a place where they can stop doing that fuckshit would be great. Actually, i hope that for all the characters. i just really want to see them be happy in the end is that too much to ask T.T
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on July 31, 2017, 11:19:10 AM
Yes to all of that!! Ethan's my fave too. And yes he is so bad at being a person lmao

Yes it is too much to ask, it's a YA trilogy so obviously at least one main character is gonna get offed
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on July 31, 2017, 11:24:17 AM
The Craig sacrificed himself so that his weird terrible adopted superhero children can live. and actually im holding out hope, because so far every cliche that i thought was gonna happen in this book never happened (i mean, Ethan/Kelsie anyone? thank fuck that ship sunk), so maybe they can defy the needlessly sad cliche too
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on July 31, 2017, 11:30:05 AM
The Craig ;-;

I don't think it's needlessly sad. Yeah, it can be badly executed, but in stories like these it's not realistic that every character lives when they're constantly being reckless and being exposed to highly dangerous situations. A character dying makes it realistic and therefore more narratively satisfying, and shows the consequences of the characters' recklessness and the impact of whatever conflict they're up against.
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on July 31, 2017, 11:38:43 AM
idk, i just think that all the characters r so well developed that killing them off would just be kinda disappointing. i mean i know whats kinda dumb, and sure there is something to be said about realism and consequences, but the reason i like these books so much is because of the characters. i want to see them go through hell, and go through their character arcs, and i don't think i like the idea of them returning to their status quos at the end of the series, but by the end of it all that i also want them to be able to move on with their lives. like they're such complex people and they've already gone through such terrible shit, but i want them to grow from it, not die from it

basically i just get overly attached

question: was I the only one who thought that Chizara/Nate would be endgame before Swarm happened? don't get me wrong, im super glad it didn't, but i figured that was where they were taking it. i srsly just wanna know if that was just me or not
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on July 31, 2017, 11:45:37 AM
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StatusQuoIsGod versus http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CharacterDevelopment
Of course I think they'll go with character development, because the entire point of the series is the characters and their arcs. But I honestly think at least one of the main character's path is gonna be http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DevelopingDoomedCharacters and that their death will be part of the larger plot thread that Zeroes need to use their powers responsibly. But who knows, really?

I more or less thought it was gonna be Flicker/Nate friendship to romance, Ethan/Anon friendship to intense emotional connection that helps Anon heal that got totally and unfairly dropped in Zeroes imo ngl I still kinda ship them from Zeroes, and Chizara/Kelsie Pair the Spares, which actually ended up happening
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on July 31, 2017, 11:56:18 AM
yeeeaah i can see that, but i also don't wanna be sad so im just gonna live in denial

woah, u had way more hope then i did, i figured we were going for the cliched Kels/Ethan, Chizara/Nate, and Anon/Flicker because it was already established in Zeroes, needless to say im super glad i was wrong, now im... kinda tentativly thinking that Ethan/Nate is gonna happen because pair the spare, but eeeehhhhh idk how to feel about that, kinda iffy at best (this is why i think that one of them is gonna die, so we don't have to pair the spare)

i agree that the Ethan/Anon thing was weirdly dropped in Swarm, like they established it so well and then seemingly forgot it existed, which i can actually see happening on Ethan's end but you'd think Anon would have a bit more of an issue with it. although i think that Ethan is going to have a hand at getting people to remember Anon in book 3 after the whole Nothing debacle, so maybe it'll resurface then
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on July 31, 2017, 12:06:48 PM
Tbh I want this last book to rip out my heart and tear it to pieces

I was actually really annoyed at how out-of-nowhere and rushed Kelsie and Ethan were, but by the end of the first book it seemed more like they were going for Ethan's infatuation and at most a will they/won't they than for a Kelsie/Ethan romance. I'm glad they didn't, although ngl I did think their emotional connection at the end of Zeroes + Ethan's failure at having a crush was kinda cute. Idk how I feel about Ethan/Nate, I don't think it's very likely to happen but now I kind of want to see it because now that I think of it I can totally see them redeeming and forgiving each other together?? As a bro pair or a couple. And yeah, I agree, although if either Ethan or Nate dies then the other is gonna be a fifth wheel to Kelsie/Chizara (if that even lasts) and Flicker/Anon.

YES, I WAS SO UPSET THAT THEY JUST DROPPED IT BECAUSE IT WAS ONE OF MY FAVORITE PARTS OF ZEROES TO READ. I think Ethan would be more likely to drop it just because of who he is as a fuck-up™, but Anon was the first Zero that wholeheartedly accepted him back and the connection seemed so genuine on both sides. It annoyed me how that was upstaged by the Anon/Flicker romance, which is sweet and all but was also kind of out of nowhere, at least compared with the circumstances that forged Anon and Ethan's bond. I hope you're right and they do bring that back in the third book when Ethan remembers Anon.
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on July 31, 2017, 12:20:15 PM
Ethan's persistant failure at having a crush was cute, until u remember that the kid's been socially isolating himself for at least a year, probably several more, and the fact that he had a crush at all and Didn't Know How To Handle it might be indicative of some sorta Yikes things about his life (of course this line of thinking just makes the sudden disappearance of Ethan/Anon brotp even weirder, because they were both really starved for connection and then it just stopped...lot of question marks about that actually now that i think about it, but im just gonna chalk it up to that thing in ya were Romantic Relationships > Platonic Ones For Some Reason)

yeah that's pretty much exactly my thoughts on Ethan/Nate, if it's done well then it'll be super cool, but if it's done badly then... it might as well not be done at all

and honestly all the romantic relationships in this series r kinda abrupt and weird? like once they get going they're really cute, but it's strange how they start, although to me this can be tied to the fact that the kids r kinda messed up
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on July 31, 2017, 12:28:36 PM
Well Ethan did go on a date at the beginning of the series (that was how the whole mess started, he needed a ride home afterwards). Most everything in the series suggests that Ethan has a problem forming genuine emotional connections and not knowing how to handle them when they do arise, which is why I think the connection between Ethan and Anon was more genuine because both filled part of the void in each other's lives that had been missing. Still salty about how that got neglected.

I genuinely thought Ethan/Nate might happen for a split second because a successful connection and romance seems to be part of Ethan's character arc but then I remembered that him and Sonia Sonic are a thing. Ethan/Sonia is much better than Ethan/Kelsie since they actually have chemistry and it actually built (sorta) but now I'm kind of annoyed that it's happening >.>

Yes, I had the same thoughts but I didn't know how to explain it! I guess that's also part of the issue I had with Rhen and davey, they also seemed kinda abrupt and weird
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on July 31, 2017, 12:38:54 PM
i agree, but the date thing kinda plays into all the Yikes stuff, because it's actually stated that he was 100% using the voice on the date, and the voice is kinda the source of all his isolation issues to begin with.

yeah im even more iffy about Ethan/Sonia then i am about Ethan/Nate. its the more obvious answer (and opens up even more room for Nate to die, ugh y do i do this to myself), but, again, i really don't want it to be all abupt and weird. and it seems like with Sonia there are more chances to be abrupt and weird. i mostly just ship sonia with her budding career as a social media star/investigative journalist. also im kinda attached to ethan/nate now that i've thought it through, uuuggghhhhh
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on July 31, 2017, 12:52:07 PM
That's true :o Poor Ethan, the manipulative little creep

Ethan/Sonia didn't seem as abrupt to me as Ethan/Kelsie, Anon/Flicker, or Kelsie/Chizara, mainly because I'm shipping trash so I'm trained to catch subtle flirtation/potential for romance early on (maybe why I caught on to Kelsie/Chizara so early?). But it does have a lot of potential to be cliche and not further Ethan's growth as a person. I like Sonia's character, but I hope her and Ethan don't go any farther than harmless flirtation, as I too am now attached to Nate/Ethan. I made moodboards for both of their character that I forgot to post, maybe I'll make a ship mood board for them...
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on July 31, 2017, 01:00:43 PM
bruh post em, those moodboards r really cool and im starved for That Zeroes Content

same for all of that, i guess Sonia/Ethan has the fact that it's been established for all three books going for it, but im just really eehhhh about it
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on July 31, 2017, 01:10:59 PM
I too am starved for That Zeroes Content, which is why I'm making my own. I will post them as soon as I am done with my essay and have time to dig through my stash of saved pics

Same bruh, same
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on July 31, 2017, 01:12:46 PM
o shit good luck with the terrible summer essay
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on July 31, 2017, 01:56:11 PM
Thanks, I submitted it with a whole 4 minutes to spare. Now, onto upload That Zeroes ContentTM
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 01, 2017, 03:42:03 AM
Impressive
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 01, 2017, 04:31:19 AM
Well I finally posted the moodboards after an hour of trying >.>

Okay but I was thinking about Zeroes last night and you know what's actually so perfect about Nate and Ethan? They both tell you whatever you want to hear - except Nate persuades crowds with glittering generalities, and Ethan persuades individuals with specifics. And the fact that their powers give them persuasive ability, it actually does the reverse and makes people trust them less.
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 01, 2017, 04:41:05 AM
saw it, loved it, a+ aesthetic, worth the hour of loading time imo

thats so true, although what i think is hilarious about Ethan is that he knows no one trusts him, and he also would like to stop doing what he's doing, but he can't for reasons. thats one of the (many) reasons why i love him so much, because he's so terrible and he can't actually stop being terrible unless he gives up his power completely (or goes through a lot of character growth i guess), but he's self aware about exactly how terrible he is... at least most of the time.

nate, on the other hand, is a self deceptive shit and still thinks that what he's doing in for the good of the team or something?. that's the major difference between them, and it would make interactions with them really potentially cool in the future
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 01, 2017, 04:47:31 AM
Thanks man, since you're like the only other active person in the Zeroes fandom it makes it all worth it

Exactly, which makes me wonder if at the end of the series the kids will still have their powers. But poor Ethan, his very existence screws itself up. And what I like about Ethan and Nate is that one is screws everything up on accident but is really just trying to get by, and one screws everything up on purpose but genuinely means well. And what I like about the potential for their interactions is that they can definitely help balance each other. Ethan can show Nate what a douchecanoe he's being and literally tell him exactly what he needs to hear, while Nate can help Ethan become more comfortable with his powers and learn to "level up" like he did at the end of Swarm.
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 01, 2017, 04:59:19 AM
smallest saddest fandom in the world (actually no, i've been in smaller sadder fandoms, at least i have someone to share my pain this time)

exactly that! they can balance each other out well and help each other grow as people, which would be freaking great for both of them. it actually makes a lot of sense in the context of the book because of the whole "opposites attract" thing going on, and of course from a character development standpoint. of course they could do this by just screaming at each other for a chapter, which i wouldn't be opposed to reading, but it would be super intresting if they also developed into a romantic thing

althought im kinda scared for Ethan when it comes to the leveling up/flipping thing. because like, ok, his powers already screw with him enough, but he's comfortable with them. like the voice has integrated itself as a central part of his personality even tho its kinda bad for him. im worried that flipping the voice, turning it inside out, whatever that would entail, would screw with him even more, at least initially.

actually what do u think about the levelling up thing? because its kinda confusing and i have some Thoughts about it but i also wanna hear ur perspective
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 01, 2017, 05:08:18 AM
Same, small fandoms are the best because they're cozy and it's easy to have your voice heard but on the other hand they're the worst because ZERO CONTENT

Yesss, I've now convinced myself that they will get interaction now. I'm hoping, anyway. And tbh I'm so ready to read them screaming at each other in a big emotional climax. Plus, ships that scream at each other are the best ships

Hm, the flipping thing seems a little inconsistent to me because with Anon and Kelsie it's like they're leveling up, as in the scope of their power increases but the general goal of Thebes power doesn't (if that makes any sense). But with Chizara and Nate, it's like they gain an opposite set of powers. And I'm not sure if either Flicker or Ethan's power lends itself to either one of those options, although it'll be interesting to see where they take that, especially with Ethan. Maybe Ethan's "flip" would be that the voice tells him what other people are thinking, or that the voice can speak to him directly.
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 01, 2017, 05:22:13 AM
yeah those r basically my thoughts, im starting to think that flipping and levelling up r two completely differenct concepts despite the fact that the narrative wants us to believe its the same thing (because honestly fuck the exposition in this series).

like first u got the thing that Chizara and Nate do, flipping, which is actually kinda straightforward, their power inverts and does the opposite of what it usually does. this seems to happen when characters have a lot of Feels. then you have just.... getting more powerful? Swarm and Anon (and Kelsie, almost) do this in book two and it doesn't? actually? make sense? the way Ren talks about it would seem like it's the same thing as flipping but its... really not. where r they going with this? wth?

thats what i was thinking too for Ethans flip powers, but it's possible that it could be really emotionally drastic. In order for Nate to flip he basically has to self induce a mental breakdown, which like, Yikes
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 01, 2017, 05:40:12 AM
That pretty much sums up my thoughts. And that's why I was thinking that Ethan would flip/level up, because our of everyone there, who's the most likely to have a powers-induced mental breakdown? Well any of them really, but I can totally see it happening to Ethan.
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 01, 2017, 05:46:37 AM
lol yeah nothing conclusive there, but i see what ur saying. it would definetly make sense for that to happen, and tbh i'd mcfucking love it. break the creepy manipulative cutie i guess

.... im kinda embarassed to ask because it's such a fandom cliche, but like, u got any hogwarts headcanons for these assholes?
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 01, 2017, 05:53:01 AM
Someone's been reading TV Tropes I see :P

give me all the fandom cliches Hmmm...
Nate - Slytherin
Ethan - not sure on this on tbh
Anon - Ravenclaw
Kelsie - Gryffindor
Chizara - Gryffindor? Maybe?
Flicker - Hufflepuff
Swarm - Slytherin
Sonia - Hufflepuff
What do you think?
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 01, 2017, 05:59:26 AM
bit different

Ravenclaw - Flicker, Swarm

Gryffindor - Kelsie, Ren and Davey even tho they don't have too much characterization

Hufflepuff - Anon, Ethan tentativly, Chizara although i could also see her in gryf

Slytherin - Nate, Sonia

y huff for Sonia? not saying its wrong, just curious about the reasoning
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 01, 2017, 06:06:56 AM
I can see both Ethan and Sonia being Hufflepuff or Slytherin. My reason for Sonia is that while I can definitely see her in Slytherin because of her wiliness and ambition, she seems very happy-go-lucky and she seems more interested in her journalism career just for the sake of it rather than like, Rita Skeeter lmao

Just curious, why Swarm in Ravenclaw?
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 01, 2017, 06:16:45 AM
tru tru

well i could also see him in slytherin, but to me he wasn't motivated by ambition as much as he was just by pure bloodlust, which isn't really the same thing. and however he kept tracking zeroes must have taken a bit of intellect, and there was the whole scheme with the police officers. he seems like the type of villian who's just a batshit nerd. slytherin makes sense for him, but personally ravenclaw!swarm is just more fun
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 01, 2017, 06:49:51 AM
That's v true, it's always the quiet ones you gotta watch out for.

Also: Hufflepuff or Gryffindor Craig?
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 01, 2017, 06:57:07 AM
oh gosh, obvious answer is gryf but now that u've got me thinking about it i really like huff Craig... hmmmm... i think it's gotta be huff

follow up question, which would be better: Craig as Kelsie's supportive head of house as a Gryffindor, or Craig as Ethan's terrifying but supportive head of house as a Hufflepuff
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 01, 2017, 07:13:25 AM
First one is probs more true to canon, but since we're going for subverting expectations here then Craig as Ethan's terrifying but supportive Hufflepuff head of house >:D
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 01, 2017, 07:23:29 AM
i mean lets be real Craig would be that one aggressivly supportive teacher for everyone regardless of house, but it would be so funny for Ethan to have to interact with him on a fairly regular basis and just be so confused about whether Craig hates him or likes him

and by funny i mean really sad, now i've gone and made myself sad, shit

also pls consider: Nate painfully pretending to like and be interested in Quidditch, and Kelsie REALLY LIKING Quidditch and probably being on the team, so now Nate has to go to every game for the Slytherins and the Gryffindors because... friendship?
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 01, 2017, 07:32:31 AM
Yes, but he'd be so aggressively supportive that everyone's lowkey scared of him, like everyone's one gym teacher from elementary/middle school

Kelsie would have so much fun at a Quidditch game with the energy of the crowd, oh man. And Nate would just be there like -_- but secretly he enjoys himself a little

Also consider: Kelsie being really excited for the Yule Ball because dancing, Ethan wanting to ask her but then Chizara asks first and he's simultaneously relieved and disappointed, Anon inviting him to go with him and Flicker as their guest because friendship but then Ethan awkwardly third wheels the whole night, until Nate (who's also there without a date) shows up and asks Ethan to dance Gdi I just created a whole AU in my head now
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 01, 2017, 07:38:44 AM
no no this is a good thing, first fandom au, i love it, 10/10

although if the Yule Ball is happening, then that must mean that the Triwizard Tournament is happening that year too right? which one of them got accidentally signed up for the tournament as the hogwarts champion???
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 01, 2017, 07:42:05 AM
I'm proud to be a part of the creation of this first fandom AU, yay! Do they still have their powers in this AU tho?

Ethan of course, is that even a question ::)
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 01, 2017, 07:51:47 AM
i mean their powers r kinda essential to who they r as people, so im gonna say yes, maybe the powers r a fucked up genetic magic, kinda like metamorphmagus, that ~mysteriously~ manifested more in kids who were born in 2000

thats true i suppose, and he has to enlist the other 5 to help becuase he's Hopeless

alright if we're doing this we gotta go this properly with all the in universe racism, so
Pureblood: Nate, Flicker
Halfblood: Ethan (im thinking his dad was a wizard and his mom's a muggle, but his older sister is also a wizard), Chizara although i could also see her as a muggleborn idk
Muggleborn: Kels and Anon cuz their parents r clueless

edit* i suppose having Ethan's mom be the magic one would make more sense, hmmm, feel free to revise the list

edit the second** im getting way too into this
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 01, 2017, 08:00:09 AM
the powers r a fucked up genetic magic that ~mysteriously~ manifested more in kids who were born in the 2000s
This is literally all the explanation we get in canon so good enough for me

That's basically what happened in Zeroes - Ethan gets himself into dangerous situation accidentally, is in over his head, has to enlist the help of the other Zeroes so they can help him not die. Also the plot of Goblet of Fire pretty much.

I agree with that, although I can see Kelsie being a half-blood because her absentee(/dead?) mom could have been killed fighting in whatever they called the first wizard war. Although on the subject of magical classism, would other wizards admire the Zeroes' powers or shun them? If its anything like canon, no one would even know because the adults are so unrealistically clueless in this series dammit
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 01, 2017, 08:08:04 AM
ugh thats true

i like the thing for Kels, and in that case we can switch it around so Ethan's mom is a witch and his dad was a muggle because we can't have that many absentee magic parents running around

i guess the staff of hogwarts would know, and the magic parts of the families (which spells some interesting dynamic changes in Nate's family maybe?), but if the headmaster is anything like Dumbledore then he'd probably wanna keep it under wraps. so the magical public doesn't know, maybe not even the ministry, and if they found out they'd probably be really scared of the kids. Sonia could take a much less dickish Rita Skeeter ish role
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 01, 2017, 08:17:51 AM
Makes sense, makes sense. Sonia would totally be a Rita Skeeter type, she'd want to get all the dirt on the Triwizard Tournament and why Ethan was mysteriously able to convince the his competitors to not attack him in the middle of the challenges...

Okay but consider: Nate as the leader of Dumbledore's Army
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 01, 2017, 08:59:41 AM
oh god he'd be so bad at it, or at least he would be one of those teachers that get kinda annoyed when u don't pick stuff up immedietly, but he wouldn't show it so on the outside he'd be all fine and good and on the inside he's dying. at some point he just regulates himself to moral support, which he can actually do pretty well with only mild creeper shit happening. plus Nate would actually want to overthrow the ministry of magic.

I feel like Chizara would really like the teaching part tho cuz she's used to younger/less experianced kids, and Ethan can finally put the voice toward something constructive. also maybe the Room of Requirement would act like the faraday cage in Swarm. like the rest of hogwarts got it's act together and has electronic devices now, which isn't so good for Chizara, but the RoR still doesn't let signals in or out

Swarm could be apart of the Inquisitorial Squad, and Flicker and Anon could team up to be the Torment The Inquisitorial Squad Squad like Fred and George did
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 02, 2017, 09:09:09 AM
Omg Nate, if he became a professor instead of going into the ministry his students would be in for one heck of a class XD yeah he'd march right into the ministry and overthrow the government tbh

Yes!! Although I think in the books they mentioned that magic makes technology malfunction

Anon would prank them and they would never even know he was there
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 02, 2017, 09:21:00 AM
Umbridge or whoever: accuses the DA of being a private army
Nate and all the other zeroes: well ur not wrong

i mean u'd think that in the 21st century they'd be a bit less technologically backwards, plus who is Chizara without being plauged by chronic pain? (sorry Chizara)

exactly, Flicker's secret deviousness + Anon's stealth would make the best prankster team in the world, in any universe, and now im kinda disappointed that hasn't happened in canon yet, come on guys ur missing the golden opportunity here

possible plot concept: shady Durmstrang people going after Kelsie and her dad because they had a grudge against her mom in the war
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 03, 2017, 12:08:16 PM
doubleposting, oops, bUT HOLY MCFUCERONI THE NEXUS SUMMARY IS OUT ON GOODREADS IM LIVING

uuuhhhh although if u don't wanna be spoiled for any of the plot at all then don't read

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/26194593-nexus
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 04, 2017, 06:47:18 AM
Umbridge or whoever: accuses the DA of being a private army
Nate and all the other zeroes: well ur not wrong

i mean u'd think that in the 21st century they'd be a bit less technologically backwards, plus who is Chizara without being plauged by chronic pain? (sorry Chizara)

exactly, Flicker's secret deviousness + Anon's stealth would make the best prankster team in the world, in any universe, and now im kinda disappointed that hasn't happened in canon yet, come on guys ur missing the golden opportunity here

possible plot concept: shady Durmstrang people going after Kelsie and her dad because they had a grudge against her mom in the war
On the subject of private armies, imagine what Swarm could do with an army 0_0
And that actually works perfectly because isn't Durmstrang in some ex-Soviet country? And the mobsters in the book were Russian :0

doubleposting, oops, bUT HOLY MCFUCERONI THE NEXUS SUMMARY IS OUT ON GOODREADS IM LIVING

uuuhhhh although if u don't wanna be spoiled for any of the plot at all then don't read

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/26194593-nexus
DUUUDE I'M SO EXCITED, 3 MORE MONTHS AHH
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 04, 2017, 09:00:30 AM
i don't actually remember, it was just generally eastern european, so probably yeah. also come on man we don't need to make Swarm even scarier

i mean like 9 months for us cuz we're in the USA, but yes im going to go into cardiac arrest from how excited i am its ridiculous, did u read the summary tho? cuz i wanna talk about some stuffs
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 04, 2017, 09:13:52 AM
It says it's coming out in November? Does it have a later release date in the US?

YEAH I read it
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 04, 2017, 09:24:49 AM
yeah i think its coming out in Novermber for Australia, but sometime in spring for us

ok some things that r actually kinda obvious but interesting
1) im like 75% sure that Kelsie's dad said that Kelsie's mom is living in New Orleans now, which means that she's definetly gonna have some plot importance
2) Nate is in solitary confinement, which makes complete sense, but that can't be good for him in any way
3) the climax takes place on Mardi Gras, and based on previous examples this probably means that the actual book doesn't start until two ish months after Swarm ended, which means that Nate's been in solitary confinement for two months, which is a long time
4) its says "Cambria 5", which means that not even the feds know about Anon's existence, could be a potential plot thing
5) the government has a Zero that works for them, which is also kinda predicatable but SUPER INTERESTING AAAAA
6) also sorta a given, but it's emphasized that the Zeroes have to learn to trust each other again, which like duh of course they do but im still really excited aaaahhhh

idk thoughts?
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 04, 2017, 10:20:31 AM
What noooo I don't wanna wait til spring. Maybe I'll buy the ebook or something

1) I actually remember that now! Yeah that makes sense, hopefully Kelsie can stay with her and she doesn't pull a Sirius Black
2) They're not even allowed to put kids in solitary, they barely put adults in solitary, maybe they can make an exception for super-powered possibly-terrorists but what the heck man
5) I'm really interested to see how they pull that off, because if they know about the Zero powers then maybe they know where they came from, but on the other hand if they knew about the Zero powers then why do they think the Cambria 5 are terrorists and why didn't they do something about all this earlier. Maybe the government is involved with concealing the powers in some way?
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 04, 2017, 10:59:00 AM
yyeeeaah

1) given this book's track record with Kelsie's parental figures i don't have much hope for this poor lady, but who knows
2) i mean yeah, but for security reasons it just makes sense doesn't it? and thats whats implied in the summary. i guess traumitizing him would kinda jumpstart his character arc but still like... Yikes
5) yeah i genuinly don't know where they're going with this. my original theory was the the govt/military actually caused the superpowers in the first place as apart of some risky ass science experiment, but you'd think an experiment like that would be a bit more controlled. idk, applying that theory then it's possible that this new Zero was the sort of outcome that the government wanted, maybe they were easier to track once their powers were displayed and way less rowby then Swarm or the Cambria 5

also, really wondering what's up with this Mardi Gras thing in general. I feel like Sonia and her group pointing it out is the only reason that any of the Zeroes take notice of it, like a self fulfilling prophecy. of course, that begs the question why the zeroes want to go there at all, since that seems like the type of thing they'd want to avoid unless they intentionally want to start some shit. I'm thinking that Ren has something to do with this actually, like maybe she was spotted in New Orleans making threats and the zeroes want to try to stop her from going batshit... again. thats basically the exact plot of Swarm i suppose, hmm
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 04, 2017, 11:16:39 AM
5) Maybe that Zero voluntarily agreed to help the military, or they were doing something super illegal and the government decided to recruit them instead of locking them up

Hmm, the Sonia theory is pretty likely imo. Or maybe the government/the Cambria 5/some other Zeroes are using it to attract more Zeroes, like a Zeroes trap
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 04, 2017, 11:28:23 AM
also tru. now im wondering if the new guy has something to do with that one congressman. like, if they are the first Zero the govt came into contact with, then it's possible that everything the govt knows about zeroes is from them, and maybe that's why the congressman wanted to start the crowd hysteria thing

yeah, but in that case the Cambria 5/6 have to be the ones setting the trap, otherwise going to New Orleans would be really stupid of them. actually, if the Sonia thing is true, then any zero being in New Orleans at all is really stupid, because the government is obviously going to focus all their attention there. kinda makes me worry if this is some kind of last stand for the Cambria 5/6, like they figured they have nothing else to lose so they might as well do somthing big. which would draw some interesting parallels between them and Ren and Davey, and also be an interesting juxtaposition with how their main goal before was to hide their powers
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 04, 2017, 11:33:08 AM
Hmm, that raises a lot of questions as to what this mystery Zero's power is. They said it was "different" but I assume it's still crowd based?

Maybe they would got to either stop whoever is setting the trap (kinda like you said in your earlier post), or they could be going to meet the other Zeroes regardless if they know it's a trap or not, or maybe they go to bargain with or rescue someone. Now I'm really curious to read about the actual reason :0
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 04, 2017, 11:44:14 AM
honestly with the way these powers r set up who even knows. maybe it'll have something to do with tracking? that would be really useful to the govt. also would give nate some interesting codename opportunities

yeah dude same, im so hyped, its insane
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 04, 2017, 11:50:21 AM
Honestly though can we please talk about Nate apparently being in solitary? Whoever would do that to a 17-year-old is sick. There isn't any conclusive evidence that he's a terrorist, or for that matter that he even committed the murder, since he didn't actually commit the murder. Plus like, that murder could reasonably be justified as self-defense even if Nate didn't tell them the full story. For Nate to actually volunteer to go through that, even for 2 months (although for all he knew when he got into it, it could've ended up being a lot longer) is some serious martyrdom right there. That + the guilt + the solitary + not being able to use his powers for months must really be messing him up. Poor Nate :(
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 04, 2017, 12:07:53 PM
my thoughts exactly. what makes it worse is that he had to have known that being detained probably wasn't going to end well for him. based on what he and the zeroes planned for Swarm, he probably thought that the govt would either kill him or isolate him for the rest of his life if they knew anything about his powers. and, since it's Nate, i feel like he also figured that just killing him would be the more likely option. kinda makes u wonder what he's gonna be like once the others break him out

and actually, the fact that they have to break him out (hopefully) in the beginning of the book is an interesting parellel between him and Ethan in the first book. since this series is so obsessed with opposites, i wonder if that stucture might lend itself to helping us predict what might happen with the characters in the rest of the book. assuming that each character switches rolls with their foil, because Nate and Ethan were kinda set up as foils at least from a personality standpoint, then Chizara might switch with Kelsie and Anon with Flicker. ugh, does that make any sense? im definetly reading too mugh into this
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 04, 2017, 12:15:27 PM
I mean the usual formula for these kinds of situations is that the person is a little unhinged, starved for human contact, probably willing to go to extremes to make sure they don't have to go back. Unless the realistic psychological effects are ignored, which I really hope they don't do. This series hasn't shied away from the darker aspects of the characters so far though.

NO THAT MAKES TOTAL SENSE although I wouldn't necessarily say that Flicker and Anon are foils, I'd say Flicker works well with everyone and Anon is kind of a second foil to Nate. But yeah wow I love parallels in fiction and you pointing that out with Nate and Ethan is making me all sorts of hyped. Especially with that Nate/Ethan pair the spare sort of thing we got going, since Flicker and Anon are a unit (minus Anon now, yikes) and Chizara and Kelsie are a (dysfunctional) unit, maybe Ethan will be the one insisting that they go back for Nate, idk if any of this made any sense
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 04, 2017, 12:29:21 PM
well we did have Kelsie's ptsd, and i don't actually know enough about the real life effects of ptsd to know if that was portrayed realistically, but i don't think this series is gonna shy away from portraying that period even if they fall behind in the actual realism department

well i guess the characters think that their s/o's r foils. both Anon and Chizara thought of Flicker and Kelsie respectivly as their opposites, and in this series what the characters think kinda overrides actual narrative reality (see: the continuing lore clusterfuck). and since now im kinda into this weird theory, then based on zeroes it suggests that:
Kelsie: might unintentionally harm a minor character and have to deal with the guilt, this ties into what already happened in Swarm with Fig
Chizara: family member might die, which i do not like because the Okekes were rlly cute, maybe she'll have to make a lot of personal sacrifices in general cuz that seemed to happen a lot with Kels in book 1
Anon: idk what did Flicker even do in book 1 idr
Flicker: might be forced to own up to the fact that her powers r creepy and have adverse effects on people, like Anon did multiple times in Zeroes, which i do like a lot
Ethan: also unclear on exactly what Nate did in book 1, may suggest that he has a bit more of a hand in group decision making, which makes sense for his character arc
Nate: prison, duh, potentially has to own up to all the mistakes he made and make amends for them since that kinda came up with ethan in book 1

this is a thinly veiled excuse to justify all the things that i want to see happen uh idk, anything else im missing? anything else in general?
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 05, 2017, 01:36:33 PM
It seemed realistic to me since a lot of people I know who have had rough childhoods or have PTSD act, like the emotional distance and all that, but I don't have any personal experience whatsoever so I can't really say BUT the way this series is written feels very raw and genuine so points for that if nothing else

Hmm, I don't remember Anon ever saying that Flicker was his opposite, but I guess it fits with the pattern. But I can definitely see that happening with Kelsie - it would make no sense based on what happened with Swarm for her to NOT hurt anyone. Flicker in book one basically just helped Anon out from The Void and generally helped everyone I guess, just by virtue of being the Only Sane Man. I'm totally down for all of that to happen except for Chizara's family dying though. I really want to see Leader!Ethan
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 05, 2017, 02:04:08 PM
Yeah this series is nothing if not emotional, so i seriously doubt they'd brush past something like this

I think that Anon mostly though of Flick as his opposite in the context of their powers, i don't remember the exact situation but I'm p sure it was a thing at some point. I'm kinda reaching and this is all 100% conjecture, but it's conjecture that makes sense when applied to their character arcs. I also realized that Flicker "found" Anon in book 1, like literally, so now Anon has to pick up the slack and find his own goddamn self, like in some incredibly fucked up mental Where's Waldo, and that was a really funny thought to me at 2:30 in the morning

Yeah idk how to feel about Ethan in a leadership roll because on one hand the voice would lend itself really well to that kind of position, and on the other hand the voice could also fuck everything up incredibly easily and also he has exactly zero actual leadership skills. It would be fun to see tho. He would be great in like, an advisor roll tho, which brings up some interesting thoughts on a potential dynamic with him and Nate, or whoever takes the helm with the Cambria 5 when theyre on the run (my money's on Flicker). Could be the spring board that helps him officially reconnect with the group
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 05, 2017, 02:53:55 PM
Dude. That's deep. Tragic and nonsensical but deep. I guess they can be opposites-ish because Flicker can see him from multiple perspectives, where most people can't see him at all?

Yesss, Flicker is a good leader since she's sensible and not impulsive like...literally everyone else lmao but I also wanna see Ethan take some initiative. An advisor role would probably suit him better but my guess is that Flicker's gonna go through some of her own problems and Ethan (and the voice ofc) will have to spark the Zeroes into action
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 06, 2017, 05:06:04 AM
Dude. That's deep. Tragic and nonsensical but deep.
my sense of humor in a nutshell, im v sorry for subjecting u to this

that all makes sense. im hoping that whatever happens with Flicker in this book, she does have more opportinuties to be in charge, because there's evidence that she's incredibly reasorceful and quick thinking but that really wasn't utilized in Swarm for some reason. maybe she's just not good under pressure (which i can see because like, Swarm is Scary), or maybe the writers sidelined her a bit for the sake of letting the other characters do their thing, idk, but i really hope it doesn't happen this time around. i feel like a big thing about Ficker's character is that she tends to just be a function of other people, and i hope that clears up in Nexus and she gets to shine on her own.

speaking of Ethan and his voice, it seems to me like he'd work way better if he did have a reliable team with him. like, 99% of the problems in this book arise because of the voice, but at least 98% of those issues could have been aleviated if someone had been with him to reign the voice in a bit (we see this happening a bit during the confuntation with Ren, but if they could do that without punching him it'd be nice). so the voice is the main cause of all his isolation issues to begin with, but then the isolation issues make the voice do worse things, and the cycle continues.
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 06, 2017, 06:55:07 AM
YES Flicker is relegated to 6th main character because mostly she's just support for the people who fuck up the plot. I really want to see her shine in the last book, she deserves it!

Yeah, that's the problem with Ethan's powers, that's why I felt bad for him when Kelsie rejected him even though they would've been terrible as a couple, because Ethan needs to actually feel a personal connection with someone that can help him. WHich I thought we got with Anon but gUESS NOT
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 06, 2017, 07:08:08 AM
yes, that, all of that. of course, being supportive and nothing but supportive is kinda the central issue with her character, that's literally the conflict that she has to overcome in her arc, but i hate the fact that, even though that's the case, it's never addressed directly so it's really easy to overlook it. i guess that being overlooked is also kinda The Point of her whole being, but eh im still salty

lol we still have Nexus to fix all the terrible, horrible things that these dipshits have done. im sure everything will turn out ok, because so far there's been a lot of focus put into the characters and i doubt that they'll just leave all that hanging
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 06, 2017, 07:15:27 AM
That's part of the reason why I don't buy that Flicker and Anon are opposites. They're actually really similar - they're both often overlooked, they have similar personalities of being nice and sensible, both rely on their powers to survive....

Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 06, 2017, 07:26:26 AM
hm, that is actually a good point and idk why i never thought of it before. to me it comes down to the fact that, by necessity, Anon is a staunchly independant person, and Flicker has to depend on other people. neither of those r specifically bad, but we've seen those traits get in the way of both characters' progress, and imo the main goal in their relationship is to get each other to be a little less extremely in/dependant
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 06, 2017, 07:34:06 AM
That's a good point, I never thought of it that way before :0 This is some good character analysis right there
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 06, 2017, 07:38:26 AM
thnx but tbh its all just word barf

so just for the sake of Science, do u have any therories on the power origins?
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 06, 2017, 07:54:28 AM
Word barf is good, it's like brainstorming

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9iwwiwYwd1rvv4x1o2_500.gif
I'd say some kind of radiation or genetic mutation, but then it wouldn't make sense that they were all born in 2000. Same for government creation of the powers. My best guess is that it was some kind of pseudo-magical time bomb, like at x year humans were gonna start developing powers because [insert pseudo-scientific-magical reason here]. But tbh I am kinda doubtful they'll explain it at all lmao. What do you think?
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 06, 2017, 08:08:13 AM
rn im leaning towards the whole "humans in year x get powers cuz magicscience" thing, but i also kinda hope that isn't what it ends up being cuz for me that would be... really unsatifying. i could totally see it happening, and i suppose they could make it work, but i think there r a lot of other things that could be way more exciting. i still like the theory that the whole thing was a government expirement that got way out of hand for some reason. radiation makes sense if there was some in universe event that happened in 2000 that could have caused a widespread, but relativly short term changes. and for the radiation thing, there's no conclusive evidence that there r any zeroes outside of the west coast area (Swarm, Ren, and Davey all came from portland, and Cambria is in Cali), so that could hold up.

i really really hope that they don't just not explain, because goddammit they have to give us lore at some point. they could even work the exporistiony things into character arcs, just don't leave us hanging pls im begging u
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 06, 2017, 08:17:13 AM
I thought they mentioned that they thought there were other Zeroes, but they never said that was in another state/region, so that could make sense too. In fact, I think that would make more sense since if the Zeroes were a national phenomenon, there is NO WAY no one has noticed them on a large scale by now.

My first theory of "humans in year x get powers cuz magicscience" draws from Scott's book Peeps, where vampires started evolving at x year because they were needed to fight off ancient monsters that also appeared at x year. (It sounds silly but it was a good book I swear). And my guess that they wouldn't explain it much comes from Scott's Midnighters trilogy, which is also about a group of 6 powered teenagers and although that definitely more fantasy than Zereos, they don't explain it much there either, it just kind of IS. So just going based on precedent here
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 07, 2017, 03:23:37 AM
i mean the fact that no one noticed the main team in Cambria until Swarm happened is kinda asinine as it is, because like, come on, they've been fucking shit up for years now, that's literally canon. just goes back to ur point about how everyone is ridiculously clueless in this series except like, Sonia and Chizara's mom

yeah well that's pretty much the only vaguely solid evidence to base any predictions on, so its definetly not a bad theory. just personally i feel like both those options would be kinda unfulfilling. like they've built the mystery up so much and it would be kinda disappointing if it never leads up to anything really good. again, just personal opinion
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 07, 2017, 03:30:35 AM
True, how are there not more videos/internet buzz/police reports about this? And how are their parents as clueless as they are?

Yeah, I agree with that for the most part. I hope they explain something and make it part of the story.
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 07, 2017, 03:36:52 AM
h o n e s t l y, i mean it's California and these kids have been going around using their freaky powers for years, and they probably didn't make too much of an effort to hide it either. i mean the whole thing with Nate and Flicker and the car herd by itself should have outed them but nah everyone's just gonna be mcfucking idiots all over the place. how is Sonia the first person to ever notice Ethan's voice? how tf did Flicker's parents ever not realize that their blind daughter isn't actually all that blind? why is no one in this series capable of googling shit? just in general wtf?

edit* the radiation theory is true and it killed everyone's braincells
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 08, 2017, 05:32:46 AM
The thing that gets me the most is that Ethan's mom noticed but like, passed it off as?? I don't even know. And Flicker's parents HAVE to have noticed, but as far as I remember they never even said anything about it and made her go to therapy??

I wouldn't be surprised if the government Zero's power was making everyone forget about the Zeroes because that's the only thing that would explain all this
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 08, 2017, 05:43:34 AM
yeah, like both Ethans mom and sister knew something was up but like? never fucking mentioned it? like wth? i think the therapy was unrelated, and there actually is evidence that Flicker's mom at least has no fucking idea, but that actually makes it... worse. lets not even get started on Kelsie's dad because she's told him about her powers and he never believed her. im convinced that the only parent in this series who actually knows how to parent is Chizara's mom, and even tho she knows about the powers she doesn't exactly help Chizara deal with them in any constructive way (meaning a way that doesn't lead to a fuckton of self hatred)

like the Men In Black movies! yeah that actually makes sense. i saw someone on tumblr talking about how Nexus is probably the name of the new Zero since Swarm was named after the character Swarm. that doesn't actually help us figure out what their actual power is, just kinda interesting
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 08, 2017, 06:05:32 AM
TRUE. I get why clueless parents are a trope, because otherwise the story wouldn't be able to flourish without the parents getting in the way, but this book really takes it up to eleven. I actually think Kelsie's dad's response was the most realistic, since he was kind of out of it and Kelsie's description of her power could be written off as like, extrovert crowd endorphins. And Chizara's mom probably isn't too happy with her daughter's destructive powers herself, so that could explain why she's not more helpful to her daughter in dealing with them. Can we talk about Nate's family though?

Nexus means like, a group interlinked things, which fits with the theme of the powers butnist much help in figuring it out.
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 08, 2017, 06:20:39 AM
that's all true, but im gonna be salty just for the sake of it because jfc people come on. i actually hope we get more of Nate's family in Nexus because 1) fairly accurate mexican representation! and they aren't just stereotypes! wooo! and 2) god the dynamic is just so interesting. like Nate's relationship with his sisters by itself is really consistent with his characterization. he genuinly cares about them, but he has no qualms with using them to further his own goals, i think at some point he even admits to conditioning them which like, Yikes. i can't wait to see what happens with them during Nexus, because the difference between how he acts with them before Swarm happened and after is really really interesting! i need to find another word other then interesting!! but its interesting!!

yeeeeeah. i wonder if Nexus maybe doesn't refer the the new zero specifically, maybe it's the government's codename for all the zeroes? i could see the term "project nexus" being a thing
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 08, 2017, 02:34:48 PM
Yeah, Nate seems to care sincerely about his siblings but what I was really alluding to is the fact that he's really manipulative towards them and they don't really seem to notice 0_0

Yes, I can see that! Or an operation involving the Zeroes
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 08, 2017, 02:45:07 PM
well yeah that too. that is also an Issue. for the kids i can get because they're kids, but you'd think the adults would pick up on that too and try to stop it. then again, the only people in this series who seem to see through Nate's bullshit are Chizara and Ethan, and with Ethan it's implied that he only picked up on it (relativly) shortly before he lost his shit. i guess Nate is just more subtle about his manipulation then we think he is since we actually get insight on how his brain works. hmm, idk, what do u think about it?
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 08, 2017, 02:50:54 PM
I think that all the Zeroes (with the exception of maybe Kelsie just because she's new to it all) realize what Nate's doing, but only Ethan and Chizara are resistant to it. Anon is kinda just because he's distanced from it all but he wants badly to be included so he buys into it despite his skepticism (now that I think about it this has the potential to get really dark and they should dive into this aspect of their dynamic more) and Flicker is biased because she actually likes Nate, plus she wants to believe the best in people and in the Zeroes
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 08, 2017, 03:02:20 PM
yeah actually i see ur point there. makes Nate's parent's look even worse, but it makes sense. and the thing with Anon was probably true for Ethan too before Nate started pushing his buttons more. actually, i think that Ethan being alienated and blowing up was the one thing that kept Nate from going completely batshit (and as a result, taking Anon, Flicker, and maybe Ethan down with him), because it was definetly implied that pre-breakup Nate had a pretty solid control over all of them one way or another, and it could have gotten to a point where no one except for Chizara would have stopped him if he'd decided to go completely Evil Dictator on people.

hey, new au idea! What if Nate didn't make objectivly bad choices and was able to indoctrinate all the zeroes, minus Chizara and Kels
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 08, 2017, 03:08:43 PM
"pre-breakup Nate" I'm honestly grinning so hard at that line, perfect

If that happened then I think they'd all be happy to be part of their group that has a leader that made them all feel supported and leads them to make good choices, even Chizara and Kelsie would probably go along with it, and all six of them would probably be a lot less messed up (but esp Anon and Ethan)
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 08, 2017, 03:15:28 PM
there r different stages of Nate that we have to hammer out titles for, its the Nate timeline, the events of the plot can be measured out based on which phase of Nate we're in

that's all true, but only if u assume that 15 year old Nate wasn't willing to subject all of human kind in his path towards world domination, which is wildly inconsistent with his character (this is like 50% a joke and 50% dead serious)
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 08, 2017, 03:18:39 PM
Bro name the stages of Nate I'm so ready for this

...True. He's kinda like Light from Death Note, as in he means well but he's just way too machiavellian for his own good and also like, you're 17 dude chill. But Goodchoices!Nate would hopefully realizes that his world domination career can wait until he's older (which he actually does admit in the books) and focus on amassing his superzero squd
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 08, 2017, 03:30:14 PM
Kid Nate (cute, hopefully not on the track to world domination yet), Tweenage Nate (Zeroes proper begins, mild creep vibes), Pre-Breakup Nate (CREEP VIBES TURN UP TO 11, making all the bad leadership choices), Post-Breakup Nate (self explanitory), Book 1 Nate (also self explanitory), Post-Mall Murder Nate (100% mental breakdowns for like 48 hours), Solitary Confinement Nate (lonely boy), and finally, the stunning conclusion, Character Development Nate (his final form)

feel free to revise that shit

idk why i never thought of that before but yeah, nate is 100% Light but like, with friends(?) (i maintain that there's no way Nate has actual friends other then Flicker, at least not normal people friends from school or something) actually, while we're at it, can we talk about how weirdly devoid of school these books are? like i get that they all take place during holidays and the school bits aren't important to the plot, but they're american teenagers, wth
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 08, 2017, 03:34:45 PM
Dood I agree

Exactly, Flicker is his friend and the rest are his henchacquaintances. And YEAH I AGREE we barely get to know about the characters' normal lives and how the powers affect those. Hopefully we can see that at the end of Nexus when everything presumably goes back to normal. Three things this trilogy is devoid of: parents, school, and logic
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 08, 2017, 03:49:47 PM
Who would win in a fight, kid Nate or solitary Nate

I mean I have an honestly inordinate amount of headcanons about their every day life, but it does suck we get so little of that in canon. And actually, i kinda don't want them to be able to go back to their normal lives once Nexus is over, I mean for one I don't even want to think about all the legal hoops they'd have to go through, but also i feel like they've reached a point of no return where they kind of can't anymore
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 08, 2017, 03:55:11 PM
Hmm. Probably solitary Nate fueled by anger, but I think he'd be too guilt-ridden to damage pure bean kid Nate

That's true, actually. It wouldn't be realistic. Either way it sucks because they will have to tell their families at some point even if they end up leaving behind their normal lives
Also gimme those headcanons m8
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 08, 2017, 04:02:07 PM
Yeeeahh, and oh gosh I don't even wanna think about their families. I mean they'll probably have to confront them at least a bit in Nexus, and i doubt that the issue of Anon's family won't be resolved, so its likely that the other kids families also won't all die or never see them again or whatever, but I still can't wait to see all the angst that comes out of that

Like, right here and now?
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 08, 2017, 04:04:41 PM
I want to see it but at the same time, I'm not ready.

Yeeee
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 08, 2017, 04:10:22 PM
I mean u have like 9 months to prepare urself

Well for one, school for Chizara is kinda like walking into an iron maiden. She was actually homeschooled during what would have been elementary school because she just Couldn't Handle it when she was that young. Middle school and high school were actually worse because everyone had cellphones then, but she could cope a little better then so she forced herself to go

all my headcanons r boring and mundane along that vein. Although, question, which of the kids liked early Miley Cyrus songs and which of them liked Evanescence
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 09, 2017, 01:04:18 AM
Hm, I like that headcanon. But pls share even the "boring" ones because gotta have That Zeroes Content

Team Miley Cyrus: Kelsie, Flicker, Ethan
Team Evanescence: Anon, Chizara, Nate
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 10, 2017, 04:13:03 AM
lol idk i feel like Flicker and Nate would have switched

boi u have no idea
-Ethan, predictably, is friends with The Anime Kidstm and those people who bring their DS's to school, he blends in well with their particular brands of nerd weirdness, also he takes as many computer classes as he can (AV, Digital Arts, Computer Science) so he can play computer games off a flashdrive when the teacher isn't looking, if anyone ever bothers enough to ask, he has A Lot Of Opinions about Cubeworld
-after the hospital, Thibault started homeschooling himself because he's dedicated and bored, but he'll always be really behind in math becuase no one's ever been around to help him figure it out
-u know that really shitty cloth material that a bunch of women's shirts r made of that falls apart easily but it's really soft? Chizara fucking loves that stuff. she likes soft clothes in general, but she doesn't realize/admit it, it's just nice to have comfy clothes when 90% of your life is pain
-Nate, Flicker, and Ethan are all in the 2018 graduating year, and Chizara, Kels, and Anon are all in the 2019 one, Nate is Offended that Ethan is older then him, but not as Offended as Chizara is that she's the youngest in the group but still the most mature
-Ethan Cooper and the Junior Year of Simultaneous Self Isolation and Extreme Uncharacteristic Extrovertedness
-Kels has started a grand total of five (5) bar fights, her dad did exactly nothning to discourage it and Fig actively took part in 2 of them
-Ethan Cooper and The Time He and Flicker Conspired To Trick Nate Into Watching Ouran Host Club (Tweenage Nate era)
-when Flicker was 10 her cousin stayed in her family's house for the whole summer, the cousin was a complete dick, by the time he left Flicker had dyed half of his clothes pink and got away with it because she is technically blind and no one knew she was capable of such a thing
-Nate is often confused about why people think Flicker is Innocent and Pure, but then he remembers that not many people knew her when she was 10
-Flicker collects friends the same way people collect stamps, not for any nefarious reason she just likes people, she has an army of friends ranging from the theatre people to the chess club people and everyone is vaugly terrified of how likable she is
-Flicker is also the only reason Nate has normal people friends
-Ethan has definetly called Anon Sasuke Uchiha at least once, probably more
-Ethan Cooper and The 2 Months Long Animal Crossing Binge (which only ended once he realized that his town's time was set to 2030 somehow)
-Kelsie was kinda pining for Ling for a little while, but she's like 78% sure Ling is straight so she let it go, and then the whole russian mobster thing happened
-Anon and Nate both like history, Chizara and Ethan like math, Flicker likes language arts but really only because her sister likes language arts, Kelsie is an Athletics kinda gal
-since the series probably maybe takes place in 2017, it's fair to assume that Ethan had a fidget spinner in his pocket for the entirety of the first book and probably most of the 2nd one
-Pro Fidget Spinner: Ethan, Kelsie, The Craig. Anti Fidget Spinner: Nate, Chizara. Fidget Spinner Neutral: Anon, Flicker
-although it's worth noting that, even tho he insists that fidget spinners r stupid, Nate accidentally got himself addicted to them for like a week and he was mad about it, Flicker will literally never let him forget about this fact, never, she'll remind him about That Time He Was Addicted to Fidget Spinners on his deathbed

lol sorry this is such a text wall
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 10, 2017, 09:31:53 AM
here have some more that i just remembered, im out of control

-Nate is fluently bilingual and tentativly trilingual because he's that one weirdo who took french in school instead of spanish because he thought learning about the language he already knows would be too boring

-Ethan, professional gamer gremlin, playing animal crossing at 4:45 am. in his villiage it's 1 pm and snowing even tho irl its the middle of summer. his mansion is an unccoordinated clusterfuck except for the basement which has a full set of mushroom furniture. "Fuck off Roscoe you emo furry," he whispers at his screen. these r the first words he's spoken in his real voice for several days.

-you've heard of the Anon/Ethan brotp, but pls consider Anon/Ethan/Kelsie brot3, it definetly starts when Anon and Ethan convince Kels to play Triforce Heroes with them and evolves into Sad Angry Junk Food Gang, most of the time when they're hanging out they gossip, talk shit about people, or vent. ocassionally they play overwatch together and continue to talk shit about the other players. Kels and Ethan r surprised but not too surprised to learn that Anon has a deep and longheld grudge against his 6th grade math teacher and he's been dying to vent about her at length for 5 years. Kels and Ethan also have some shit to get off their chests. in general they're just incredibly salty and it's nice to be able to talk about all of that with each other. they do eat waaaay too much junk food tho, they've been known to finish off 2 tubs of icecream in a night

-all the kids basically had to develop completely new sections of their brain in order to survive/handle their powers, neuroplasticity is nice and all but it's also a little bit of a bitch, if anyone had ever bothered to test any of them their MRI scans would have killed a medical professional because That's Not How Human Brains Should Work

-Chizara Does Not Talk about her brief stint working in retail before she got the job in the fix-it shop, she just doesn't, A) the entire experiance hurt like hell, especially the part where she had to be a cashier, B) people suck, she may or may not have bricked several customer's phones, and no one can legally prove that she was responsible for the blackout that happened one time

-6 year old Chizara wanted to grow up to be a cowgirl, like the actual historical kind, she learned about it when her mom took her to a museum, fell in love with the concept, and was obsessed with wild west stuff for a solid year of her childhood

-Ethan Cooper and The Entirety of His 20s Being A Series of Revelations About How His Complete Lack Of Language Skills From Ages 1-9 Kinda Fucked Him Up From A Developmental Standpoint and Oh God He Should Probably Get Therapy Or Something For This
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 12, 2017, 02:57:36 PM
I'm sorry it took me 872 years to read and reply to this, but I just want to say that I'm 100% behind these and I love them so much. Personal faves:

Also, that last one about Ethan and the language skills? Bro I was thinking about that too. That's canon as far as I'm concerned (poor Ethan tho)
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 13, 2017, 04:57:22 AM
Lol s'ok dude, I also enjoy the Gamer Gremlin Ethan headcanons because like, relatable, i have too many of them and they're basically all just projecting myself onto Ethan,
 but it's nice to talk about something Ethan does that he actually enjoys


YES the language skills thing is sooooo fascinating to me, like there's really no actual people to base that on but it's really cool that u can tie p much everything about Ethan back to the fact that he couldn't actually talk for years and a lot of his actions make so much sense when u keep that in mind

edit* love how u can tell which characters r my favorite based on these headcanons, i didn't even try to not be biased. feel free to share ur own hcs if u got em
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 13, 2017, 08:51:52 AM
Here have some Zeroes headcanons

-Not so much a headcanon as an interpretation but the introverts are Ethan, Chizara, and Anon; the extroverts are Kelsie, Flicker, and Nate
-Anon and Flicker like to go people watching in the park because no one notices Anon and they'd never suspect the "blind" girl
-Anon likes webforums and sites like Omegle because no one can ignore him there. He's a member of lots of forums where he discusses everything from Zen to video games
-The Zeroes have a group chat where they all send each other memes, especially tag yourself memes, which are perfect because there's usually six characters. They're also helpful for remembering Anon.
-Flicker actually likes Sonia's blog and reads it through Ethan and Anon's eyes when they check it when they think no one's looking
-They all regularly have debates about which member of the Avengers/X-Men/Justice League they are
-Chizara has one of those "I'm a burly mechanic" shirts - in a men's medium
-Ethan has considered trying out for theater with the voice just to see how far it goes but is 1) too nervous it would backfire and 2) finds theater kids annoying
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 13, 2017, 09:12:06 AM
bruh, Quality. the theatre thing makes me wonder if the voice can do impressions

lets keep this ball rolling because it's the only thing we have
-Nate is one of those kids who has a color coordinated highlighter system, Flicker would make fun of him for this but it makes things legit easier to read sooooo
-Kelsie needs glasses, but she only realizes it after the series ends when Flicker figures out a polite way to point out that her vision is really bad compared to other people's
-when/if (hopefully when) Chizara gets a handle on her powers so electronics don't hurt as much, Ethan attempts to get her into video games, its doesn't really work but she discovers that she's really good at arcade games since she can kinda read the patterns that the machines r using
-Nate's Weird Stalker Files are simultaneously Creepy and... kinda touching. like sometimes he'll take note of like, ur blood type and the hopsital ur parents were born in, and then other times he'll notice really small stuff and it's kinda cute that he felt it necessary to write down (he also uses his highlighter system in the files)
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 13, 2017, 11:36:12 AM
AND ANOTHER THING im sorry im a dirty double poster but i just remembered A Thing i wanted to bring up

ok so srsly wtf is Swarm's deal? we've already established that nothing in this lore makes any sense ever, but Swarm really doesn't make sense. like first we've got the whole video diary thing that i brought up before, im a little pissed that was never explained but it has to come up somehow in Nexus so whatever (my bet's that it's gonna fall into the FBI's hands). then there's the leveling/flipping debacle. its still unclear if Swarms power is a flip of Kelsie's, or if it's just stronger somehow. then there's the fact that, in canon, Swarm is apparently supposed to be multiple people in one body? like that's actual canon text? w t f does that mean? i think its implied that the people he's killed like? stay with him or something? a la some type of horcrux shit?

...which actually kinda makes sense. Anon got his Nothing powers after killing Swarm, maybe murder is actually how Zeroes get stronger? this series certantly isn't afraid of getting dark and gritty, but idk if they'd go that far. there's a possibility that im misremembering some of Swarm's situation, but its an interesting theory anyway. the two characters with the most potent powers (not necessarily strongest, because Chizara could kill everything, but whatever) r also the two characters who have literally commited homicide. that could be a complete coincidence, but there's exactly no evidence to base any theories whatsoever on so im gonna Reach all i want
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 14, 2017, 09:34:15 AM
Hmm, interesting theory. Swarm's powers are confusing, but the part about killing making powers stronger definitely holds some water

Nice headcanons, dude. I like the one with Flicker and the bad eyesight. Iiiii don't have anymore atm but I will rack my brain at a later time
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 15, 2017, 05:58:27 AM
yee, the theory still doesn't explain everything about Swarm, but it does mesh well with that we already knew, even if it is dark af and probably isn't true. it could also be that their powers get stronger with intense feelings of guilt, so murder isn't 100% necessary but it definetly facilitates that kinda shit (not that Swarm seemed particularly guilty, but whatever). that could explain why Chizara is such a bamf. there is evidence that the superpowers and how strong they r is tied to the Zero's emotional state, maybe the "holy shit i killed someone" feeling is just the last step in the Zeroes metamorphosis into a creepy superpower god

this theory still sounds exactly like horcruxes and im gonna laugh so hard if it turns out to be true
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 15, 2017, 07:05:26 AM
Yeah, not sure if I want it to be true or not :P I feel like rage opens up the darker side of their powers tho, that's just a general trope of having superpowers

Also I had a dream that Ethan tried to use the Voice to talk someone out of sacrificing themself for him and then they were like "no...I want the last words I hear from you to be real" and why can I kinda see that happening
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 15, 2017, 07:24:08 AM
its definetly weird and unlikely to happen, i just enjoy overthinking things

that absolutely sounds like something that could conceivably happen... i do not want that to happen because it will destroy me, but its something i could see. although if anyone (other then Nate, hes already gotten his turn) is to make a big sacificial gesture like that in Nexus, i think that Ethan's the most likely one to do so. Ethan or Kelsie.
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 15, 2017, 07:29:43 AM
I feel Ethan is more likely, since he has more guilt and Kelsie already had a Crowning Moment of Awesome. I kinda want it to happen but I also don't.
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 15, 2017, 07:35:56 AM
yeee. i feel like if it does happen and he tries to sacrifice himself, the other zeroes r just going to stop him. or maybe just save him, idk. kinda ties into another reason why i don't think anyone is actually gonna die by the end, after Swarm everyone is going to be desperate to not lose each other, especially after they get Nate and Anon back, and they'll probably go to extreme lengths to keep that from happening again
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 15, 2017, 07:46:11 AM
Oh yea, I forgot Ethan was the only dude left since Anon and Nate went MIA. Maybe they won't die, but I feel like Nexus is gonna have some serious consequences for all of them
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 15, 2017, 07:55:16 AM
yeah definetly. everything being fine and dandy by the end would be unrealistic and boring, and also really inconsistent with everything the narrative has been building up to. also, like u said, its YA, and a really dark YA at that, completely happy endings don't exist. personally i don't think anyone has to die to acheive that. my bet is that they're probably going to end up working for the government in a vaguely raw but acceptable deal, because without some incentive to pardon them they really really should all be in superhero jail, like just from a legal standpoint
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 15, 2017, 08:00:11 AM
That's true, I can see that. But I can also see them having to never use their powers again or face jail time or losing them altogether, which would be a blessing and a curse at the same time, and eyed have to rediscover who they are without their powers
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 15, 2017, 08:07:26 AM
p much my exact feelings on the fact that they could lose their powers. i could definetly see that happening, but i'd also want to know how they'd adjust to the change.... which i might just have to write for myself now that i think about it because the authors sure wont, but we'll see what happens

the other two r likely enough. i just thought of the possibility that the govt might have to them and their families in witness protection or something, which comes uncomfortably close to an "everything is fine and dandy" ending but it's still kinda funny
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 15, 2017, 08:14:00 AM
If you ever wrote a Zeroes fic I'd love to read it :0

I hope we don't get an "everything is fine and dandy ending", but I would like to see how they adjust to become functioning adults without having to rely on their powers, since it would be flat out irresponsible to use them at this point. But it's also an integral part of them, so I can't really see that happening unless their powers are inhibited or completely gone.
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 15, 2017, 08:32:57 AM
i have a couple of ideas for some but they're all half baked as hell. if i ever do finish one u coulda beta for me if u wanted

yeah thats p much exactly what i think. unless they all somehow figure out how to reign in their powers within the span of Nexus, i don't see them being able to function well in society unless the powers get taken away. which... is not likely to happen at all, unless they get like a Zero Mentor or something
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 15, 2017, 08:46:21 AM
Yeeee, I relate to the half baked fic ideas tho. I like beta-ing because my only hobbies are overanalyzing fiction, being nit picky, and watching CinemaSins

Okay but a Zero Mentor would be awesome, don't see it happening tho since now of the adults could effectively show them to control their powers since they don't have any, maybe there'll be a sympathetic government agent who will help them tho
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 15, 2017, 09:44:56 AM
bruh you'd be perfect

i was thinking more along the lines of another Zero who miracululously had their shit together, or maybe someone else with knowledge of how the powers actually operate, but having an adult around who isn't oblivious or evil would be rlly great and im totally behind it, so basically another Craig who doesn't get shot this time
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 15, 2017, 09:58:48 AM
;D

Ooh, that would make more sense, but given how irresponsible all the teenagers in his book are and how little anyone seems to know about anything, that's unlikely imo. And NOOOO don't remind me of the Craig ;-;
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on August 15, 2017, 10:07:27 AM
that's completely true but i can dream

The Craig will always live on in our memory, don't fight it. along that vein, i really hope that Kelsie's mom is helpful and doesn't turn them in or something when they meet her
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on September 08, 2017, 09:14:46 AM
Hey, this is relevant to our recent conversations: as far as Zeroes headcanons go, I always pictured the Craig as Danny Devito (but slightly more intimidating)
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on September 08, 2017, 09:19:55 AM
lol i did not expect that. always thought that Craig would look more like John Cena, but to each his own i gues
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: churchenbells on September 08, 2017, 09:28:59 AM
Danny Devito's head on John Cena's body.
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on September 08, 2017, 09:33:51 AM
terrifying, but also a compromise i support whole heartedly. its canon now. its been decided
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on September 08, 2017, 09:34:07 AM
I can totally see that. I'd say that's my new headcanon for him, but I won't have to picture him at all in the next book :(
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: churchenbells on September 08, 2017, 09:36:30 AM
Next book reveals that Craig was reincarnated as the new Zero. Everyone is happy.
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on September 08, 2017, 09:39:05 AM
and then they all get murdered in a hotel. no but could u imagine if they brought him back somehow tho? like not back to life, but maybe as an illusion or something to fuck with the zeroes. or just using Craig's death to play mind games in general. they would fuck me up oh my god
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on September 08, 2017, 09:42:12 AM
... :o I'd honestly prefer they not bring needless supernatural elements into this because that would muddle the worldbuilding even more but if they were going to, that would be the way to do it
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: churchenbells on September 08, 2017, 09:42:54 AM
The new zero's ability IS being The Craig.
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on September 08, 2017, 09:44:59 AM
The Craig was a spy that tipped the FBI off to the zero's existence in the first place
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: Catvomitsky on September 08, 2017, 10:56:38 AM
The Craig was a spy that tipped the FBI off to the zero's existence in the first place
Don't slander the Craig like this
Title: Re: Zeroes Spoiler Thread
Post by: ravenoid-ish on September 08, 2017, 11:01:00 AM
i know i feel unholy just for saying it