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Title: Nexus?
Post by: ravenoid-ish on February 19, 2018, 01:12:36 PM
yeah so it comes out today or yesterday or something sooooooo new thread, wooo, ive already read it and i have Opinions and i rlly wanna know what yall think if u ever pick it up....even tho its only gonna be like 2 ppl tops...... honestly we prob dont even need another thread but whatever
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: ravenoid-ish on February 19, 2018, 01:14:59 PM
forum glitch thing?
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: Panzercrappitastica on February 19, 2018, 01:20:30 PM
Iím a goober who still hasnít read the second book e.e
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: Catvomitsky on February 19, 2018, 01:22:44 PM
I ordered it from Amazon but it hasn't come in yet. Ahhh I'm so excited what did you think? Without spoiling anything of course

Iím a goober who still hasnít read the second book e.e
I'm a goofy goober yeah, you're a goofy goober yeah, we're all goofy goobers yeah, goofy goofy goofy goofy goooooo
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: ravenoid-ish on February 19, 2018, 01:24:21 PM
hhmmmmm idk its hard to say anything without spoilers, it was a fun read but i have Qualms, hows that?

dammit thats what i was gonna say
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: Catvomitsky on February 19, 2018, 01:25:35 PM
Yeah that makes sense, about what I expected. Did any of our predictions/hopes/do not wants come true? I mean I know that's an inherently spoilery question but still

Ayy great minds think alike
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: ravenoid-ish on February 19, 2018, 01:32:59 PM
um. no? not really? the stuff that did happen sort of came out of left field and it sorta didn't. i dont wanna get into it rlly bc even my opinions here would be spoilers but like it was weird

edit: i realize that was sort of a non answer but just Prepare Thy Self For Some Shit
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: Catvomitsky on February 19, 2018, 01:41:11 PM
Hm. Well now I'm even more eager to read it :o
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: ravenoid-ish on February 19, 2018, 02:06:54 PM
yeah its crazy man. ill just say that i have a whole shitload of qualms. u might see what i mean as u read and u might not idk, i really do wanna see what u think about this like, independent of my own opinion.

it is a fun read tho, its not like a complete nightmare
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: Catvomitsky on February 19, 2018, 02:11:37 PM
Given the conversations we've had I'll probably share at least some of those qualms. I'll probably scream and rant in this thread as I read it if that's good with you
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: ravenoid-ish on February 19, 2018, 02:16:01 PM
Please do, I've already ranted extensively with chuchen on tumblr, it's time to pass on the ranting torch
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: Catvomitsky on February 19, 2018, 02:20:24 PM
Another Zeroes fan?? They should totally come on here!
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: ravenoid-ish on February 19, 2018, 02:24:38 PM
Yeah she is, it's churchenbells, she found me on tumblr cuz I have the same username
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: Catvomitsky on February 19, 2018, 02:28:39 PM
Ohh right, churchenbells. Good to know there's a time least one more person in this tiny fandom
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: ravenoid-ish on February 19, 2018, 02:37:34 PM
Hell yeah. Unrelated but theres a new American cover and it's slightly less ugly then usual so that's cool I guess
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: churchenbells on February 19, 2018, 02:39:42 PM
SLIGHTLY less ugly.
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: ravenoid-ish on February 19, 2018, 02:40:46 PM
Speak of the devil. Yeah only mildly
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: Catvomitsky on February 19, 2018, 02:43:11 PM
Hello!

Oh, are you talking about the one with the three people on the cover? I'm not even sure who they're supposed to be :0
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: churchenbells on February 19, 2018, 02:44:21 PM
Iím assuming thatís the one weíre talking about, because thats the one Iíve got. I can just BARELY make out the people up close, and all I can identify is Kelsie really.
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: Catvomitsky on February 19, 2018, 02:48:41 PM
Did they make new covers for the other ones? It's kinda weird how they'd suddenly change it like that
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: ravenoid-ish on February 19, 2018, 02:50:45 PM
I think they did bc there have been other covers floating around on the internet. maybe they saw us complaining or something
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: Catvomitsky on February 19, 2018, 02:53:46 PM
Yeah, Scott's books don't always have the most aesthetically pleasing covers (although I liked the ones for Afterworlds) but Zeroes' was really...not the best :I
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: Catvomitsky on February 22, 2018, 03:22:10 PM
Nexus came in today but I have no time to read it :((( I've actually been sticking to a sleep schedule but I might just stay up to read it
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: ravenoid-ish on February 23, 2018, 12:01:05 AM
Lol nah just sleep it's not worth it, unless u already stayed up in which case I'm sorry for ur loss
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: Catvomitsky on February 23, 2018, 02:18:37 AM
I didn't even finish what I was supposed to and just slept and the sleep was definitely worth it
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: ravenoid-ish on February 23, 2018, 02:19:41 AM
Good choice
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: Catvomitsky on February 24, 2018, 04:12:47 AM
I finally got to read the first two chapters of Nexus today and (SPOILER WARNING)

1. This really reminds me of The Gifted TV series, I'm only two chapters in and already there's like 6 plot points that are exactly the same. I guess that's to be expected though since Zeroes is already really similar to X-Men
2. Why is the name of the FBI agent Agent Phan, you can't tell me the writers of this series have never encountered the Dan and Phil fandom and didn't know exactly what they were doing
3. HECK YEAH a truth power, I always thought that would be a great Zero ability

Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: ravenoid-ish on February 24, 2018, 06:22:39 AM
More spoilers, kinda

1) I've never seen that show, but I wouldn't doubt it
2) never realized this but holy fucking shit I'm never gonna be able to take Phan seriously ever again
3) hellll yeah this character/power is awesome, my first instinct about the truth power was that it was Scam's flip, did u get the same impression? It's not, so that's not technically a spoiler, but yeah
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: Catvomitsky on February 24, 2018, 06:45:41 AM
1) The similarities to Zeroes, especially this first part of Nexus, are uncanny. It's crazy
2) I'm getting the impression that he's this serious and pivotal character but every time they mention his name I just think of the Phandom/Phan shippers and it's v distracting
3) I didn't even think of that, but that makes total sense and I'm kinda disappointed that they apparently didn't go in that direction now
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: ravenoid-ish on February 24, 2018, 07:23:35 AM
1) u should keep a tally of all the similar plot points so we can scientifically prove that Nexus is actually just an inhumans rip off
3) yeah it's one of the slightly more minor Qualms. And it'll seem like an even better idea in later scenes, idk it just feels like a missed opportunity

Edit: although I will say that this new character and the other new characters introduced r personally the best parts of Nexus, so get hyped for that
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: Catvomitsky on February 24, 2018, 08:35:46 AM
I will make that list but I just realized something: The book says Chizara made everyone's cars go dead, but the traffic lights kept working for 30 seconds. But like...what about people who had electric cars, with electric steering? They'd keep going in the same direction they were moving at the instant of the power outage. So just screw those people I guess, they can just can drive into a stop sign or whatever and crash

And yas, I'm excited
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: ravenoid-ish on February 24, 2018, 11:19:47 AM
Lol i assume they meant like, all cars even the electric ones, but Chizara's powers have never really made any sense
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: Catvomitsky on February 24, 2018, 12:22:49 PM
O yeah I just meant that if an electric car with electric steering "goes dead" then you can't steer it and will probably crash (Ayy) but yeah agreed, her powers make the least sense
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: ravenoid-ish on February 24, 2018, 12:26:54 PM
O I dont know how electric cars work, that's hilarious tho

her powers make the least sense
Lol u think it's bad now, just wait
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: Catvomitsky on February 25, 2018, 08:55:16 AM
Okay re Chizara's powers...apparently she just has general electromagnetic powers? And I guess her stopping the flow of electricity in people's brains isn't a level up from doing that in machines? I'm willing to buy that for now, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the Curve and is even more different from the others than Ethan's powers.

In other news this is super exciting so far but whyyyyy are they dragging Anon back into this mess and tracking him? It's good that he didn't die and all but going on a suicide mission isn't much better >_>
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: ravenoid-ish on February 25, 2018, 11:47:24 AM
just wait

lol yeah poor Anon, let the man rest
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: Catvomitsky on February 25, 2018, 11:49:27 AM
I'm still holding out hope for them to reintroduce the Ethanonymous friendship but now it seems like they're pushing the Nate/Anon connection and idk how I feel about that
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: Catvomitsky on February 27, 2018, 12:26:02 PM
MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD

So I just got to the part where Piper explains - conjectures, really - what their powers are and............wtf. This makes no mcfreakin sense. And her plan makes even less sense. Maybe they'll clarify more later but my wtfery meters are off the charts right now
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: ravenoid-ish on February 27, 2018, 12:32:14 PM
dfkghoshdv god. yeah theres... theres really no way around the fact that her explanation was fucking stupid. like straight up no other way to put that. and just so u never get ur hopes up there is never any clarification on that specific point. never. its just that ONE FUCKING LINE. i dont fucking know what the thought process behind that was but they somehow found the worst possible answer to the power origins question, its stunning.

at this point it starts getting weird so um buckle in
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: Catvomitsky on February 27, 2018, 12:48:51 PM
Well uh. Shit. I was really hoping for something more than a logically inconsistent tinfoil hat theory but k I guess not. I'm still holding out a shred of hope for an explanation of the powers though, because they still have to explain why Scam is an anomaly. But tbh I feel like that's not gonna make any sense either.

Also she hasn't even revealed the third part of the plan yet but wtf @ the first two parts. Most the second part. For all her rambling about digital connectedness and whatever, she seems to be totally clued out about the fact that currency is more than bits of paper, it's electronic too. And the Coin power also made Super Bowl tickets out of paper, so it doesn't just apply to money? So broadcasting that power would make people stop assigning value to...anything? Everything? Unless he specifically intends for it to be money, but in that case....what money? U.S. dollars? Any paper money? The concept of money in general? What about cultural differences in what money is? What about just like...the concept of value itself? Will people look at the price of something on Amazon and not be able to process the numbers or their relationship to the value of an object? And why did Piper think that that would solve anything? That's like....the worst idea in the history of ideas, like as bad as every single one of Ethan's choices combined
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: ravenoid-ish on February 27, 2018, 01:05:46 PM
:)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

yeah i guess the main point of that would be to shake up society so thoroughly that she and her faction were the only ones with any control of anything, which like, k. it was written intentionally to be stupid, you'll see more of that later, but yeah glaring failure of logic is glaring and really pushing suspension of disbelief. its *~*~communism~*~* i guess. on one hand i can see how she came to the conclusions that she did, and on the other hand like... has she literally ever sat thru a history class?
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: Catvomitsky on February 27, 2018, 01:15:17 PM
That emoji and those parentheses are so ominous 0_0

Or a psychology class...or an economics class...or a sociology class. She probably charmed her way out of having to actually try in school I guess, and her Bellwether power bloated her ego so much that she never had to actually think about 1) whether her plan was logical or 2) the effect it would have on other people. But still, for someone who's demonstrated intelligence and planning ability it is kinda ridiculous
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: ravenoid-ish on February 27, 2018, 01:38:36 PM
damn forgot this site does that automatically, changed it to have the proper effect

yeah its weird. love her as a character, but it would have been nice if her plan wasn't just a giant logical fallacy.
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: Catvomitsky on February 27, 2018, 02:27:26 PM
I just got to the end of that chapter where that thing happens so no spoilers for now but of fucking course Ethan is the one to cause the apocalypse by falling on a big red button. You fool.
*Dumb Ways to Die plays in the background*
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: Catvomitsky on February 27, 2018, 02:45:01 PM
Ok so I finished it and uh.

(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/300x300/81091674/what-the-fuck-did-i-just-read.jpg)

Edit: OK RANT TIME this is going to be so disorganized
1) Til the last paragraph I was holding out hope for an explanation of the whole Ethan thing but. Welp. That never happened. That uh...never happened. That's really all I have to say on that, I think I've made my point.
2) So after all the shitting on Nate and Anon for killing Swarm and just all the buildup for the "don't kill people" part are we really gonna ignore the fact that both Chizara and Kelsie killed people? For both of them that was the last thing we ever read inside their heads. And that was all the emotional consequences we ever got on that. Like. What. Ok Chizara I can kind of handwave because she was trying to stop Piper and her evil plan EVEN THOUGH THE BUTTON GOT PUSHED ANYWAY SO THE DEATH WAS KIND OF POINTLESS AND EVEN IN THE MOMENT WHEN CHIZARA DIDN'T THINK IT WAS POINTLESS SHE SAID SHE FELT LIKE A DEMON.
3) Anyway, even without that...Kelsie/Swarm just...killed that guy.....ripped him to pieces. What the fuck. What the actual frickety frack was that. She just chose that guy, a fellow Zero, to "sacrifice" and then used her Swarm power to rip his flesh apart in some sort of cannabalistic hive mind ritual. And then she went and broadcasted love and good vibes to the world and the fact that she just killed a kid had absolutely no effect on anything. And she felt like 2% shaken up about it for two seconds. I'm sorry but I'm calling bs on this one. This might actually be my biggest Qualm.
4) For that matter, the last thing we read in Nate's head was that he got conked out and then looked up and felt proud that one of his minions was 1/3 of the new world order. That's...really creepy tbh. Nate was really creepy in this book.
5) I was So Ready to read about how Verity and Piper apparently were carrying on some sort of illicit thing and why Verity wanted to protect Piper and why Phan wanted to protect Verity and what Verity's actual name was, and how she felt about her power broadcast around the world and making her apparently traumatizing childhood a reality for everyone  but none of that was ever explained further. It was just...dropped. And for that matter, what happened to Phan? They were so good and I wanna know more about them dangit
6) Yknow I'd rant about the consequences of a world that allows kids with these dangerous-ass powers that have the power to kill people to practice them freely, especially when it's already been established that the kids with said powers kinda fuck up everything when they use them, but that was almost a literal footnote in the book so I'm not gonna get into it.
7) Nice bookending with the "more coffee" thing and the diner. Except this time Ethan has Sonia Sonic with him. And he's like the little mermaid now. I'm still up in the air about all this omniscient infodump at the end, but I'm so here for him and Sonia getting coffee tbh

I'll probably rant more later when I think of more to say
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: Catvomitsky on March 05, 2018, 03:41:58 AM
I had a dream about Zeroes and most of it was just nonsense but there was this part where this old lady captured Ethan and said that if he told her everything about the Zero powers, she'd help him escape, so the voice just expositioned away everything tHE ACTUAL BOOK NEVER DID, and it got me thinking: if the voice is omniscient - and we know that it is - why couldn't he just do that? Like, when Nate was asking questions about the origin of the powers or literally anything, why couldn't Ethan think gee, I want this guy to shut up and get his answers so we can all go home and then voila?
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: churchenbells on March 19, 2018, 11:00:54 AM
Like, when Nate was asking questions about the origin of the powers or literally anything, why couldn't Ethan think gee, I want this guy to shut up and get his answers so we can all go home and then voila?
Honestly I always just assumed it would be because there would be no way to verify that the voice was actually telling the truth, and not just saying something believable to make Nate shut up.
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: Catvomitsky on March 19, 2018, 11:15:56 AM
True, as long as Nate believed it heíd shut up...but for that matter, what reason did Ethan have (before the end) to believe the voice was omniscient? It couldíve been saying that just to scare Verity
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: FirelordAzula on April 05, 2018, 01:40:38 AM
Well, I finally have time and got over here. Let's start by saying that, while there are certainly issues, I'm pretty sure that overall I liked Nexus okay. Feel free to rant, and I'll likely agree with you, but overall impression was positive.

Thoughts:
1) Yeah, one of my biggest issues was, as someone else mentioned, that Kelsie swarm-killed someone with basically no response or pay-off at the end. I mean, it was about the most pointless thing ever. Why was that even there??? Chizara's murder at least had a point/plot relevance...

2) I gotta admit, the authors constructed the whole three books worth of Ethan in such a way that my response to him literally tripping and falling on the big red button of doom was basically "Yep, I believe that." So, kudos, you properly built up what a complete mess of a human being that kid is.

3) Was the worldbuilding/lore incredibly sparse? Yes. Was it outright contradictory and/or nonsensical when we DID get any info? Yes. Do I much care? Not really, apart from Chizara being so very weird compared to literally EVERYTHING else. So, everyone can decide for themselves how to feel about it, but I guess I just put up with a lot. (It helps that I basically think of everything from Nate and Piper as "Here's what they think, but honestly they're just guessing so don't take it too seriously"). With that somewhat dismissed, I can just about accept that everything is how it is just because.

4) I should confess that the names for everyone in my head tend to default to Nate, Flicker, Anon, Kelsie, Chizara, and Scam unless I'm intentionally using their codenames or actual names. This happen to anyone else?

5) Nate pretty much never got over his creeper tendencies, did he? Not that I'm complaining much, but I was kinda hoping he could try and get better about that.

6) I was unduly distracted for about half of Nexus by Piper's name. Anyone who's read Heroes of Olympus understands my trouble.

7) Count me in on being disappointed that the Ethan and Thibault friendship was more or less shoved aside after Zeroes. They were pretty fun together and actually got along, unlike lots of the other pairs of zeroes.

8) Petty note, but according to my count on first read, of the 4 f-bombs in the book, Flicker got to say 3 of them. This greatly amused me.

And 9) was I the only one who really wanted Ethan's sister (Jess?) to come back? Cause I really liked what we saw of her before. Any of the other family members of the main squad would have been nice too, they need more page-time.
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: churchenbells on April 13, 2018, 12:37:30 PM

And 9) was I the only one who really wanted Ethan's sister (Jess?) to come back? Cause I really liked what we saw of her before. Any of the other family members of the main squad would have been nice too, they need more page-time.

Same here! I honestly loved all the families so much it broke my heart that we hardly ever saw them again, especially Nate and Ethan's sisters!
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: Ghost44 on August 03, 2018, 05:31:36 PM
Wow. I do not know how to feel about the ending. I was totally on board with everything that was happening until the final showdown actually started. So much was just thrown out the window and then we get no real pay off other than a few words about each character's future. I am actually incredibly disappointed in how it ended (partly because I had convinced myself I already knew how it was going to end - Chizara was somehow going to make it so the Nexus erased all the Zero power from the world [which would have solved a lot of our characters' problems]). I am just really disappointed that we didn't get any real meaningful closure to the events that happened leading up to the Nexus going off. Kelsie and Chizara both killing someone?! No worries, they're fine and do great things moving forward. Ethan becomes God but cannot talk? It's just too much with too little. I've absolutely loved the series and how each book built to bigger and 'better' things, but the last 30 pages of Nexus kind of sucked.
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 03, 2018, 05:51:43 PM
YES my thoughts exactly (I just realized I never replied to the previous post but I was sure I did?). It was one of those bizarre endings that comes right tf out of nowhere and doesnít resolve any of the character arcs taking place. Honestly for me the last third of Nexus was kind of...going off the tracks into an inevitable ending like that but. Yeah. Chizara erasing the powers wouldíve been a great ending that I didnít even think of :o
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: Ghost44 on August 03, 2018, 05:55:42 PM
I liked the idea of them all becoming normal and just settling into normal lives, no one dying. Piper having to be normal and hating it. But noooooooOOOOOoooooo. They had to go and blow everything up literally and resolve nothing.

This is like the only book ending I have ever not liked.
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: Ghost44 on August 03, 2018, 05:56:09 PM
And Zeroes, Swarm and the first half of Nexus were so so so good.
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: Catvomitsky on August 03, 2018, 09:52:47 PM
Actually that wouldíve been the perfect resolution. Now that you mention it Iím mad that it didnít happen...it wouldíve been a much more mature and satisfying ending. Like, I donít buy that a world with people with these powers who basically have unlimited power wouldnít be some sort of nightmarish dystopia instead of the peachy world Ethan predicted...but idk mang. Also wtf was up with Ethanís powers, I really wanted to know more about that. Is Ethanís voice God? Is it the metanarrative voice of Scott Westerfeld and the writers themselves?
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: Ghost44 on August 04, 2018, 11:45:46 AM
Ethan became fully omniscient, but lost his ability to speak. He basically got full control over his Voice but at the cost of never being able to say a thing.
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: ChaoticRhymer on August 04, 2018, 11:56:23 AM
That must suck.
Title: Re: Nexus?
Post by: Ghost44 on August 04, 2018, 12:16:51 PM
It's stupid. It's a stupid end.