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Title: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Ali-wa on October 16, 2009, 01:52:20 PM
Ok just forewarning you I'm not siding with Special Circumstances saying that the operation is absolutely necessary and the only way to keep war away but,...

would everybody being pretty-minded be necessarily a bad thing? Everybody is happy, no arguments, hardly any rebellion, everybody is just getting along. With how the world is now does that sound absolutely terrible? I mean, the lesions you receive don't hurt you or anything so what is so wrong?!? What if our civilization managed to create something like the operation, just looks aren't changed during it, and it doesn't make everybody absolutely stupid/bad-decision makers. Honestly, I am tired of war and its effect on all the involved and surrounding countries. If everybody just got along in the first place, we wouldn't be fighting over stupid, meaningless, and sometimes even forgotten arguments. I understand everybody has an opinion, but what if others were more understanding and accepting of others opinions, and didn't take them to heart, meaning, that they didn't think somebody's thought or opinion would hurt or invade their personal beliefs.

Post your opinions and thoughts about this. and remember!--I'm not siding with the bad side in the Uglies, just stating how if tweeked a little, it could be a really good thing.
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Treya-Chan on October 16, 2009, 03:42:34 PM
i dont want to be Pretty-Minded
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Ali-wa on October 16, 2009, 10:33:55 PM
well i know you don't want to be exactly "pretty-minded" like the pretties in the book.....i was just thinking if everybody wasn't offended from others opinions, points of views, or thoughts, mayb we wouldn't be caught up in so much war and stuff...
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Tash-la on October 17, 2009, 06:44:46 AM
I'm going to add that there's this big thing out there that many people are a fan of called free will. Free will means that you can decide what you do, where you can do things, why you can make decisions, and be unique. But like everything else, free will comes with a cost. The cost of getting to make your own decisions and form your own opinions is that other people out there can make opinions that differ with yours. This results in disagreements, arguments, and-unfortunately- war.
Being 'pretty-minded' may not change exactly who you are, but it does change what you can do and accomplish as a person. It hinders you from making logical decisions and opinions that are truly yours. Sure, you are happy as a pretty, but that is only because you are ignorant of what life could be like if you had a free mind. Making people 'pretty-minded' has it's advantages, because it does make controlling a population easier and could stop war (not that it did end up stopping war in the book, as the Smoke proved), but it is a not a democracy. People are brainwashed into believing that the operation is what is best without being given the chance to make up their own mind about it, leaving whoever is on top to control all of the stupid and naive pretties.

So I think it isn't a good idea. There are some things in this world that are worth fighting for, even if it has consequences, and one of those things that I value very much is my freedom.
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Ali-wa on October 17, 2009, 10:59:56 AM
oh, yeah, i forgot about that aspect sorry :) lol
i value my freedom as well.
haha. wow. silly me. lol
i still think if there was someway to make others more understanding and accepting of others, that that would be a good thing for civilization
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Post by: Treya-Chan on October 17, 2009, 11:04:42 AM
oh, yeah, i forgot about that aspect sorry :) lol
i value my freedom as well.
haha. wow. silly me. lol
i still think if there was someway to make others more understanding and accepting of others, that that would be a good thing for civilization
You are so right. I just don't want to be bubble-headed
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Ali-wa on October 17, 2009, 11:06:29 AM
oh me either. i like being my own personality and not acting happy, but stupid like the person to the right and left of me
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Treya-Chan on October 17, 2009, 11:10:19 AM
and AGAIN you are soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo right man you are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo good. LOL!!!!!!!! ;D
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Ali-wa on October 17, 2009, 11:13:43 AM
haha thats alright though, here in my little crappy town everybody acts stupid. there is nobody sane. might as well be living in new pretty town. lol
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Treya-Chan on October 17, 2009, 11:14:56 AM
Yeah i with you there
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Chloe-Wa on October 18, 2009, 06:10:54 AM
Freedom is something I value, but I have to admit that being a Pretty does appeal to me. It just sounds so fun and happy- everyone wants to be beautiful and it would be nice if people could be a bit more understanding of other people. I don't want to be a bubblehead but being constantly happy and calm and beautiful doesn't really sound that bad- I would be good with just a little more freedom and individuality. It wouldn't be all that bad   :)
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Ali-wa on October 18, 2009, 06:13:55 AM
yay! lol someone sees pretty close eye-to-eye with me  :D lol thats kinda wat i was tryin to explain in too many words lol
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Tash-la on October 18, 2009, 06:42:31 AM
Everyone wants to be beautiful because they don't realize that they are beautiful. A whole lot would change in the world if people were more understand of themselves and others.

I think it's a little contradictory to say that you want to be happy and calm and pretty, but not bubbleheaded. Isn't the whole calm, going-along-with-things attitude part of being a bubblehead?  ???
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Ali-wa on October 18, 2009, 07:04:54 AM
yes, in the book, but we are altering it a bit for real life  :D
just thinkin it would be cool if we basically all got along  ;D
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Tash-la on October 18, 2009, 08:18:24 AM
But then there would be no great debates!  ::)
I agree that it would be nice if everyone got along, though, I just don't want lesions to be the cause of it. If people made a conscious effort to get along on their own, I would much prefer that.
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Chloe-Wa on October 18, 2009, 08:53:03 AM
I agree with Ali-wa. You can still be calm and understanding whilst having your own opinions- you don't have to be a bubblehead, we're just altering it a little to fit with real life. Tash-la, you're probably right about all the  debates, but great debates cause arguments and wars- it would just be easier if people were willing to not agree on everything but still respect other peoples opinions.  :)
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Tash-la on October 18, 2009, 10:12:03 AM
There are negative connotations to war, and I think that war is a bad thing too, but if it happens from a suppressed group of people fighting for their rights and freedoms and it is the only way to go about it, then I think it is a just cause to have war.
And I think people should respect other people's opinions to a certain extent. If someone's opinion is that a certain group of people are worth less than them and should not exist because their existence is wrong, then that is an opinion I will not respect. I'll give the example of the second World War. Many things were wrong about WWII, but in no way do I respect Hitler's views about the Jewish people, among others.
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Chloe-Wa on October 19, 2009, 02:18:33 AM
I agree with you that war is just if you're fighting for your freedom and obviously all the stuff Hitler did was terrible, it would just be nice if everyone was happy but thats probably a bit unrealistic   :(
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Ali-wa on October 19, 2009, 03:38:24 PM
yea, I totally understand WW2, that was definitely a reason for war, but we were fighting for something of value
some wars that are happening is just because one country doesn't like what another country is doing and/or believing
...thats totally sad-making...
I just all in general wish everyone would get along, and maybe not exactly be friends,
but respect others values, beliefs, virtues, etc...
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Chloe-Wa on October 20, 2009, 03:36:39 AM
There are things worth fighting for but you're right- if its pointless its just stupid and sad-making. I think that people should try to respect each other and only fight over things that really matter. I wouldn't mind being happy all the time  ;D
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Kaye-la on October 20, 2009, 01:14:28 PM
I totaly get were u guys are coming from but i wish there was like a on/off button. I really wouldn't mind being happy and clueless somedays
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Ali-wa on October 20, 2009, 01:41:52 PM
haha, Kaye-la, on/off switch sounds kinda cool lol
we all have those moments of clueless-ness lol
those are like mandatory for all humans haha lol
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Kaye-la on October 20, 2009, 02:17:34 PM
That's very true. Monday mornings for example  :D
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Ali-wa on October 20, 2009, 02:19:56 PM
monday AND sunday mornings lol i can never remember what day it is on sundays for some reason lol
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Kaye-la on October 20, 2009, 02:32:30 PM
ha ha thats weird. i was like that all summer. i had no idea the date or the day of theweek or anything
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Ali-wa on October 20, 2009, 02:53:43 PM
oh, yes.
during the summer, i am completely lost
I NEVER know what day it is
(thank god for cell phones) lol
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Chloe-Wa on October 21, 2009, 05:55:05 AM
I'm kind of clueless sometimes- I think I'm probably a bit bubbleheaded already  :-[  Ye- in summer i forget EVERYTHING and then when I have to do something important I'm shocked that it's that time already hehe  ;D 
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Ali-wa on October 21, 2009, 06:29:36 AM
yea, its like someone hits the fast forward button each day during the summer making the day fly by incredibly fast....
i dont like it!  :-[
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Kaye-la on October 21, 2009, 08:18:38 AM
this summer went by extremly fast. stupid seasons  :'(
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Tash-la on October 21, 2009, 08:43:14 AM
Me and a friend of mine always used to joke about what we would do if we had a remote control that could pause/stop time. It was a lot of fun. Maybe we could add a bubblehead button to that  :D
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Post by: Kaye-la on October 21, 2009, 08:45:17 AM
that would be amazing :D
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Ali-wa on October 21, 2009, 04:29:49 PM
haha, that would be funny
imagine how many people would steal their friends remotes and always turn that button on just for the fun of it
lol that would be hilarious
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Kaye-la on October 22, 2009, 08:15:17 AM
lol that would be awesome
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Tash-la on October 22, 2009, 09:37:18 AM
Might be a good novel idea  ;D I would love to have my own personal life remote control. It might be annoying if everyone had one though. Time would stop and start constantly.
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Chloe-Wa on October 23, 2009, 03:17:38 AM
It would be good to have the remote of someone you didn't like much or someone mean cos you could just switch them off  :)
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Kaye-la on October 24, 2009, 06:10:51 AM
i had this weird dream in like third grade and that totally just reminded me of it. so i had this pet dragon and it ate all the people i didn't like it was so cool
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Chloe-Wa on October 24, 2009, 06:14:24 AM
hehe did you eat something odd before bed?  :) I have weird dreams about random stuff but lately i forget all my dreams  :( 
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Kaye-la on October 24, 2009, 06:16:05 AM
i havent had any dreams in a while but when i do theyre either really weird or really boring and about skool or whatever
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Treya-Chan on October 24, 2009, 06:33:53 AM
I hate bubble-heads
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Kaye-la on October 24, 2009, 06:34:59 AM
well good thing there not really real
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Tash-la on October 24, 2009, 09:22:09 AM
I wouldn't want them to be real. It would be really odd.
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Kaye-la on October 24, 2009, 09:40:15 AM
i think the pretties would probably look really weird to us if they randomly showed up like now. they wouldnt look pretty at all
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Treya-Chan on October 25, 2009, 03:51:29 AM
I hate pretty-heads hate them with all my heart. hey mabe thats why i dont cry wen Zane died.
oh and i think Kaye-la is right
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Chloe-Wa on October 25, 2009, 06:29:37 AM
aww i was really sad when zane died i don't mind if people are a little oblivious and dopey they can't help it   :-\ 
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Tash-la on October 25, 2009, 01:24:48 PM
I don't think it was Zane's fault he was pretty. He couldn't help the corruption of his society. I don't think he should die because other people made him different.
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Treya-Chan on October 25, 2009, 04:11:29 PM
He was not Bubble-Headed wen he died
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Tash-la on October 25, 2009, 04:38:57 PM
I never said he was. You seemed to say you hated him because he was pretty and that's why you laughed when he died. I don't think that Pretties should die just because they are Pretties.
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Chloe-Wa on October 26, 2009, 04:46:53 AM
it wasn't zane's fault that he was a prettyhead and wasn't he a little less bubbleheaded than the others in the first place? he wasn't bubbleheaded when he died and even if he was he shouldn't have died because of the way society made him
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Treya-Chan on October 26, 2009, 07:45:44 AM
Hey i love Zane. I just thought it was fuuny but I'm really wired so what. But I  LOVE Zane but i like David more
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Post by: Chloe-Wa on October 27, 2009, 06:58:07 AM
i like david and he was sweet to tally but i just preferred zane  :)
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Lizzie-wa on October 30, 2009, 11:14:33 AM
i would want to be pretty headed! i thnk it would be pretty cool:) like always happy and beautiful and fun parties:) but i like the specials because they r the ones who made them like that
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: G-la on October 31, 2009, 12:38:17 AM
no pretty brain i forget tooo much as it is, mustard!!!!, i need a bunn :-\y
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Chloe-Wa on October 31, 2009, 02:37:04 AM
It would be nice to be beautiful and constantly happy but i also think it would be sad making not to have intelligence and opinions etc... But it was a good way of preventing war in the book because people can get out of control and end up fighting for no reason  :(
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Post by: Lizzie-wa on October 31, 2009, 10:32:04 AM
thats true i wouldnt care about the opinion thng u still have an opinion just u dont care about war and stuff
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Chloe-Wa on October 31, 2009, 12:22:11 PM
I would like to be constantly happy I just wouldn't like to be stupid and it would be nice not to have wars  :)
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Post by: Treya-Chan on October 31, 2009, 01:13:01 PM
I guess you are right be i like my mind the way it is
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Post by: Chloe-Wa on November 01, 2009, 01:51:29 AM
i don't think i would need the lesions anyway- i have plenty of bubblehead moments already lol   :-[
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Post by: Treya-Chan on November 01, 2009, 07:19:43 AM
I do some times
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Post by: G-la on November 03, 2009, 12:46:59 AM
i think pretty heads are soon to come, but like our great tally we will stop them from killing trees, no more vegitarians, eat the herbavores they kill plants there for bad
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Chloe-Wa on November 03, 2009, 03:16:12 AM
g-la you know to get herbivores for food they have to be bred so eat a lot of plants in the process so i don't think it makes much of a difference if we eat them   ;)
i wouldn't mind being  beautiful and happy- i think most people would like that. but no one would be passionate about anything and people might become quite two dimensional which would be sad-making. i would like the operation but with the lesions to have an on/off switch so if i was sad i could just switch it off  :)
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Post by: Lizzie-wa on November 03, 2009, 12:41:28 PM
i would like being bubbleheaded because u would be paying more attention to the one u love instead of other thngs and i thnk thats sweet or im just a sucker for romance:) like the twilight books! also if anyone likes vampires read the house of night series but some parts might be rated PG-13 haha there is a lot of cussing and sex (but only once!!!!!!!!!!!) haha they r really good but they spell vampires like vampyre and vampyres have tatoos on there head which is cool and vampyres arent uncmmen but they r amazing i just got the 6th one Tempted it came like 10-27-09
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Post by: Treya-Chan on November 03, 2009, 01:13:35 PM
OHHHHHHHH I only read the 1 2 3 4 book I want to read hunted be my library dont have it
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Post by: Lizzie-wa on November 03, 2009, 01:53:00 PM
oh that sucks i bought them all for my bday well my dad bought them but i started tempted today :)
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Post by: G-la on November 04, 2009, 01:06:11 AM
yeah, i like trees better than animals lol, i know, i just dont like eating animals, i cant be a vegi-head cuz my moms bf cooks only hillbilly meat covered in grease and cooked like a chickin, if i dont eat it i eat nothing and get yelled at i cant hanndle yetting yelled at, i cant handdle it when people raise there voice (at all) which is bad cuz my moms bf dose that none stop and im supper stressed andand and and and, wow is typed and alot, and im going crazy whith him imposeing his ignorent belifs on me memememememememememememe andandandandandandandandandandandandandand um pasta lol
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Post by: Chloe-Wa on November 04, 2009, 04:16:42 AM
It's ok g-la i'm just being a vegi-head lol  :)  i don't like being shouted at either- loud voices are painful. aww- your mums bf sounds like he is mean to you. 
lizzy-wa i'm a sucker for romance too (which is probably why i cry in practically every sad or romantic film i watch lol) and although it would be nice to focus more on the people you love, there are other things that i like to do that i would miss with lesions i think. ooooooooooooh dear i don't know what i think now -  with lesions i would be stupid but it would be nice to always be happy...  never mind i'm not very good at making my mind up about stuff sometimes  :(
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Post by: Lizzie-wa on November 04, 2009, 04:09:02 PM
i cry when i read! when i was reading the 2nd HOn i started crying because stevie rae died!
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Post by: G-la on November 05, 2009, 12:34:47 AM
i cry over books 2, but not over real-life things
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Post by: Treya-Chan on November 05, 2009, 06:23:51 AM
i cry when i read! when i was reading the 2nd HOn i started crying because stevie rae died!
Me two i was so sad  :'(
And I did Cry alot
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Post by: Chloe-Wa on November 05, 2009, 06:36:37 AM
i'm super emotional sometimes- i cry at books and films and anything that is slightly sad- i get really into books and films so i end up either getting really excited when the film is happy or sitting crying in the cinema when no-one else is which can be a little shaming  :-[ 
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Post by: Treya-Chan on November 05, 2009, 08:58:49 AM
LOL!!!!
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Post by: Lizzie-wa on November 05, 2009, 04:07:51 PM
i dont read harry potter:(eck nooffense lol
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Post by: G-la on November 06, 2009, 12:29:15 AM
i cryed at midnighters when i thought jessica was dead, it was a sad missunderstanding
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Post by: Chloe-Wa on November 06, 2009, 04:11:52 AM
i've seen the harry potter films but i have only read parts of the books.
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Post by: Lizzie-wa on November 06, 2009, 11:47:09 AM
ive read like 4 of the books but they r boring and isaw the fist 4 movies and i like the fourth one because rpatz is in it!:)
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Post by: G-la on November 07, 2009, 12:35:59 AM
iv been meaning to read harry poter i just never got around to it may be once i finish the inheratince siries, the magic or madnees siries, and the last days
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Post by: Nina-Chan on January 10, 2010, 01:22:10 AM
Ok just forewarning you I'm not siding with Special Circumstances saying that the operation is absolutely necessary and the only way to keep war away but,...

would everybody being pretty-minded be necessarily a bad thing? Everybody is happy, no arguments, hardly any rebellion, everybody is just getting along. With how the world is now does that sound absolutely terrible? I mean, the lesions you receive don't hurt you or anything so what is so wrong?!? What if our civilization managed to create something like the operation, just looks aren't changed during it, and it doesn't make everybody absolutely stupid/bad-decision makers. Honestly, I am tired of war and its effect on all the involved and surrounding countries. If everybody just got along in the first place, we wouldn't be fighting over stupid, meaningless, and sometimes even forgotten arguments. I understand everybody has an opinion, but what if others were more understanding and accepting of others opinions, and didn't take them to heart, meaning, that they didn't think somebody's thought or opinion would hurt or invade their personal beliefs.

Post your opinions and thoughts about this. and remember!--I'm not siding with the bad side in the Uglies, just stating how if tweeked a little, it could be a really good thing.

That does make sense,but not for me. I am the type of person who enjoys deep conversations.  I do see your point though. :)
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Post by: Nina-Chan on January 10, 2010, 01:33:27 AM
Might be a good novel idea  ;D I would love to have my own personal life remote control. It might be annoying if everyone had one though. Time would stop and start constantly.
like the adam sandler movie, click, was it called?
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Post by: Pedestrian on January 10, 2010, 01:37:56 AM
About being pretty-minded...

Yeah, it would be a good thing for society. That's why they did it. By making everyone into sheep, they made them compliant and stopped war and fighting. They stopped people from arguing with each other. They made people happy. But they took away people's individuality and their ability to think creatively. So I think it would be a bad thing for people as individiuals, because they wouldn't really be able to think.

So this leaves us with two philosophical questions:
Which is better...perfection or individuality and free will?
Happiness or knowledge?
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Post by: Nina-Chan on January 10, 2010, 01:40:36 AM
About being pretty-minded...

Yeah, it would be a good thing for society. That's why they did it. By making everyone into sheep, they made them compliant and stopped war and fighting. They stopped people from arguing with each other. They made people happy. But they took away people's individuality and their ability to think creatively. So I think it would be a bad thing for people as individiuals, because they wouldn't really be able to think.

So this leaves us with two philosophical questions:
Which is better...perfection or individuality and free will?
Happiness or knowledge?
I iagree:D
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Post by: Chloe-Wa on January 10, 2010, 02:17:00 AM
It would be difficult to decide- we would have to think of whether society as a whole was more important than individuals
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Post by: Nina-Chan on January 10, 2010, 02:20:40 AM
It would be difficult to decide- we would have to think of whether society as a whole was more important than individuals

A matter of ethics. I think people should be offered the choice, should be told the consequences, and be able to reverse the surge.
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Post by: Pedestrian on January 10, 2010, 02:37:06 AM
It would be difficult to decide- we would have to think of whether society as a whole was more important than individuals

Yeah, it would be extremely hard.
I like to think that if we have the ability to think as individuals, then we'll use that ability to improve society. But clearly that's not always the case (like all the knowledge that's been used to create weapons). But then, look at pretty society. They stopped technology from evolving for a couple hundred years. Then after the mind rain, there was suddenly an abundance of new stuff being made because people could think creatively again (like smart matter!)
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Post by: levi_ann on January 10, 2010, 02:40:38 AM
I'd rather have my own mind. Utopia never works as history has taught us. People will always have differences if it's only about what lip gloss looks better.
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Chloe-Wa on January 10, 2010, 02:41:26 AM
true- maybe if we chose society and had a "pretty" society it would be good for humanity and war would be prevented, and then have a few select people to continue creating technology, but then we would end up with specials- people who think they're really superior
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Post by: meghan-wa on January 10, 2010, 11:18:41 AM
i would love being pretty minded
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Post by: Heliopteryx on January 10, 2010, 12:24:18 PM
I wonder what the world would be like if the pretty operation (without the appearance-alteration) were a punishment for criminals. 
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Post by: Heliopteryx on January 10, 2010, 12:24:50 PM
And I wouldn't want to be pretty-minded, but I wouldn't be able to hate it after the fact.  
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Post by: purplebookworm2 on January 10, 2010, 12:27:37 PM
I wouldnt wanna be pretty minded, then i wouldnt wanna read books X_X
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Post by: Heliopteryx on January 10, 2010, 12:28:20 PM
But if you were pretty-minded, you wouldn't be sad not to. 
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Post by: Pedestrian on January 10, 2010, 12:33:49 PM
And I wouldn't want to be pretty-minded, but I wouldn't be able to hate it ater the fact. 

Like Shay.
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Post by: Smurfie on January 11, 2010, 03:17:37 AM
I've been thinking about that so much.  Especially because I'm in Middle School right now, and we all know that MS and HS are full or drama and fights and POINTLESS crap. And it would be so great if my friends weren't all fighting and being stupid and hating each other, especially because I'm usually the one in the middle of everything ):  BUT there's that matter of free will.  I would absolutely despise knowing(well I might not really know) that someone had tweaked my mind.  Especially to make me bubble headed, because I'm agreeable but I'm also opinionated and have my own thoughts and ideas, and I would never want that taken away.
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Post by: Nina-Chan on January 11, 2010, 04:36:20 AM
I've been thinking about that so much.  Especially because I'm in Middle School right now, and we all know that MS and HS are full or drama and fights and POINTLESS crap. And it would be so great if my friends weren't all fighting and being stupid and hating each other, especially because I'm usually the one in the middle of everything ):  BUT there's that matter of free will.  I would absolutely despise knowing(well I might not really know) that someone had tweaked my mind.  Especially to make me bubble headed, because I'm agreeable but I'm also opinionated and have my own thoughts and ideas, and I would never want that taken away.

i agree!
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Post by: mollygator24 on January 11, 2010, 06:43:11 AM
pretty minded?! heck no! i dont want people messing with my brain! i like being smart! i dont want to become like tally was in pretties! empty minded! NOOOO!
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Post by: meghan-wa on January 11, 2010, 10:30:59 AM
i think that it would actually work and the world could be a lot better for it.
i hate war but im not a pasifist
and i think it would be pretty cool to see how better the world could be
because of it.

if you had to get the pretty operation cool im in...hope i could
become a special..haha
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Post by: Team Toshi Banana on January 11, 2010, 10:35:19 AM
I don't think the world would actually be all that different if everyone was a bubblehead... (I mean, come on, how many bubbleheads do you know from school?)
I wouldn't mind everyone being pretty-minded... as long as I got to be Special.
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Post by: hannah_rox_ur_sox_off on January 11, 2010, 12:01:25 PM
i can only say " AW HELLZ NO"  that would so not be bubbly id be doin wuht tally was
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Post by: Heliopteryx on January 11, 2010, 03:12:05 PM
Being the only non-bubblehead in a world of bubbleheads would be terrible.  You wouldn't have many friends, and every single person on the planet would annoy you. 
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Rasta-la on January 13, 2010, 03:17:32 AM
Well I kinda agree...but well I would like the choise to be a bubble head or not.. I would most likely be like tally and just fight the bubblyness off and become a cutter.... I dont like being controled or any thing like that. I want to think my own thoughts, So with that said i kinda agree more because there would be less war and less segragation.( can spell) so i think yeah in some ways every one being pretty would be a good thing. Just not for me.
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Post by: Chloe-Wa on January 13, 2010, 03:49:00 AM
that would be good in theory but i dont think it would work for socitety as a whole if people had the option of being pretty- that would just cause more separation and there probably wouldnt be that many people who would voluntarily have their brains damaged
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Post by: Pedestrian on January 13, 2010, 07:48:06 AM
I don't think the world would actually be all that different if everyone was a bubblehead... (I mean, come on, how many bubbleheads do you know from school?)
I wouldn't mind everyone being pretty-minded... as long as I got to be Special.

This reminds me of something Maddy said in Pretties...let me see if I can find it.

"Perhaps the lesions aren't as important as we thought. Your father always suspected that being pretty-minded is simply the natural state for most people. They want to be vapid and lazy and vain and selfish. It only takes a twist to lock in that part of their personalities."

What do you think? Are most people already pretty-heads, even without the operation?
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Post by: Tabac vie on January 13, 2010, 08:10:14 AM
I think we appear as we think we should, as we become what we think a certain person expects from us. Like the once my friend became gay he started acting like he thought gay guys acted, because that's what he thought people expected.

If people believe that they SHOULD be pretty minded then they become pretty minded. Regardless of if they are or aren't.

It's a state of mind. We are what we think we should be. Tally thought she SHouldn't be acting this way, so she stopped. I think most people convience themselves that stupid is the new cool they actually become stupid. Weather they realise this or not.


Just throwing that out there. :o
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Post by: Heliopteryx on January 13, 2010, 09:58:06 AM
Hmm, intersting idea.  

In that case ,there are a surprising number of people who think they should act stupidly.  
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Post by: Chloe-Wa on January 13, 2010, 10:08:54 AM
thats an interesting idea, tabac vie, and actually makes sense people do conform to what people want them to be quite frequently
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Post by: Emma-la on January 31, 2010, 01:27:10 AM
Ya, very interesting. Makes sense. What do they call it? Wisdom of the crowd? No, that's when people put their heads together to try and figure soemthing out. Dang, now that's gonna bug me all day.
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Post by: Team Toshi Banana on January 31, 2010, 08:24:37 AM
huh I don't know but thats a cool idea!
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Post by: JimmyLost on January 31, 2010, 02:02:06 PM
Ya, very interesting. Makes sense. What do they call it? Wisdom of the crowd? No, that's when people put their heads together to try and figure soemthing out. Dang, now that's gonna bug me all day.
Groupthink?
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Post by: Emma-la on February 01, 2010, 09:39:38 AM
I have no idea. Peer Pressure? Who knows! Oh well!
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Post by: Tabac vie on February 01, 2010, 12:38:09 PM
conforming to the crowd??? I don't know all I know is that it seems to be most likely in the world.
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Emma-la on February 01, 2010, 12:38:52 PM
Hehehe.
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Post by: Chloe-Wa on February 02, 2010, 06:29:40 AM
peer pressure is kind of like conforming
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Post by: Emma-la on February 02, 2010, 08:01:37 AM
okayy.. cant remmebr what conforming means, but i have ideas.
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Post by: Tabac vie on February 02, 2010, 01:32:19 PM
like changing and modifing yourself to fit in with others.
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Post by: Kristen-la on February 03, 2010, 12:19:35 AM
Ok just forewarning you I'm not siding with Special Circumstances saying that the operation is absolutely necessary and the only way to keep war away but,...

would everybody being pretty-minded be necessarily a bad thing? Everybody is happy, no arguments, hardly any rebellion, everybody is just getting along. With how the world is now does that sound absolutely terrible? I mean, the lesions you receive don't hurt you or anything so what is so wrong?!? What if our civilization managed to create something like the operation, just looks aren't changed during it, and it doesn't make everybody absolutely stupid/bad-decision makers. Honestly, I am tired of war and its effect on all the involved and surrounding countries. If everybody just got along in the first place, we wouldn't be fighting over stupid, meaningless, and sometimes even forgotten arguments. I understand everybody has an opinion, but what if others were more understanding and accepting of others opinions, and didn't take them to heart, meaning, that they didn't think somebody's thought or opinion would hurt or invade their personal beliefs.

Post your opinions and thoughts about this. and remember!--I'm not siding with the bad side in the Uglies, just stating how if tweeked a little, it could be a really good thing.


I have thought many times that you know it would be worth it to have the operation. I mean being Pretty-minded might not be a bad thing. To be Pretty never fights, haveing the job of having fun! I don't see much wrong with it, sure i want to keep my mind, but idk it just sometimes seems so...perfect to have a life like that...just my opinion
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Post by: Emma-la on February 03, 2010, 12:22:19 AM
good opininon it is. but it would mean losing your personality and your face. i'd be sad if they took away my small features. but i wouldnt mind a couple extar teeth (or a whole new set of them, for that matter).
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Post by: Kristen-la on February 03, 2010, 12:28:56 AM
yea i wouldn't mind getting the operation...sometimes i think it would be worth it other times i don't...idk being a special seems icy a pretty seems bubbly, an ugly idk its hard to imagine living in a world like that soo...i mean in uglies Shay describes the operation, it doesnt seem that good there LOL!
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Post by: Chloe-Wa on February 03, 2010, 03:56:20 AM
it would be nice to have pretty features and look perfect
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Post by: Emma-la on February 03, 2010, 04:04:24 AM
ya, i wish i could. but not look completely like everyone else.
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Post by: Tabac vie on February 03, 2010, 05:47:33 AM
Having a world full of mindless bubble heads wouldn't be okay. I mean yes no war, no agruments but it's like cheating out world peace, it's something we need to figure out for are selves not wish it better or make everyone so oblivious it doesn't matter any more. It's something we need to all figure out are selves and it just seems really wrong.

If we weren't all crazy we would all go insane.
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Post by: Tally-wa on February 03, 2010, 05:51:54 AM
I'm divided on being pretty-minded. I mean, in the books, the Rusties destroyed the world and everything.  But on the other hand, being ugly would be cool too becuase you have your own mind and you don't have to conform to everyone's idea of what is right.
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Tabac vie on February 03, 2010, 06:00:19 AM
Individuality is what created the lessions in the first place, what created everything that they lived in. It takes away what makes us unique, what allows us to create new and better things, to improve life. to conform in that matter is to stay in one place to never progress and if something bad seriously did happen again, there would be no one to overcome it since everyone had lost there thought, had lost what allowed humanity to overcome in the first place.
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Post by: Chloe-Wa on February 03, 2010, 06:03:10 AM
being ugly i suppose would basically be now with better technology and more care for the planet
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Post by: Tabac vie on February 03, 2010, 06:07:37 AM
yeah. and if society as we know it was to come to an end, and us humans be thrust into a disaster,  like the one in scott's books, we would overcome. but if the world was pretty-minded.....we would most likely perish.
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Post by: Chloe-Wa on February 03, 2010, 06:24:31 AM
true- but then thats what specials were for but they had the problem of thinking they were superior to all other people
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Post by: Tabac vie on February 03, 2010, 06:28:13 AM
but would you really want to live in a society where if a disaster was to happen you would be the first to die? so no, pretty lessions aren't for me.
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Post by: Jessie-wa121 on February 03, 2010, 11:39:00 AM
I see where your going, everyone says they wouldn't be pretty-minded for anything, but if I didn't know, of COURSE i'd choose that! If I hadn't read the books i'd probably choose it. No fights, everyone happy, world peace.No hunger
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Post by: Tabac vie on February 03, 2010, 01:12:43 PM
yeah. I mean on the surface everyone would want to choose a life without war, hunger, a good life. But at what cost? If something sounds perfect chances are it is, as with pretty lessions. But it's the people who look underneath the surface who really see life for what it is. For it's face value.
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Post by: Kristen-la on February 04, 2010, 08:25:06 AM
i almost wish i did live in the pretty-time life would b so much better and easyer
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Post by: Tabac vie on February 04, 2010, 01:31:09 PM
sigh. I guess everyone is entitled to there own opinion.
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Post by: Michelle-chan on February 07, 2010, 09:14:25 AM
id want to be a sayshal haha!!
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Post by: Team Toshi Banana on February 14, 2010, 04:39:51 AM
Sayshal! Me too!
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Post by: Jessie-wa121 on February 16, 2010, 07:42:26 AM
Actually, I agree with you. Everyone I talk to is like, "If I were there, I wouldn't let them turn me pretty. I would stay ugly no matter what." But they don't really understand that today isn't like the uglies world. In Uglies, no one is starving, no one is hurting, everyone is completely beautiful and living in harmony with  nature. If you were offered the chance of perfection, of never having to worry about yourself or anything else, to be amazingly beautiful and find love at first site, to have all your family and friends right there with you, would you choose it? I know I'd be tempted.
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Post by: Heliopteryx on February 16, 2010, 07:47:20 AM
I'd ask what the catch was. 
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Post by: Jessie-wa121 on February 16, 2010, 07:54:26 AM
But they wouldn't tell you, and you'd be convinced that your hideous and the only way to see your friends and not live in shame is this operation.
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Post by: Emma-la on February 16, 2010, 07:57:01 AM
That's true. If I had no idea they were going to mess with my mind, I might get the operation. I mean, I'm scared of operations, though. I'm scared about if I get braces. If I weren't scared of operations, I would definetly get it.
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Post by: Tabac vie on February 16, 2010, 11:26:32 AM
but then the fact comes back to is it a good idea. because basically the way I see it, it's taking away are rights. yes it forms a safer world and yes it may be the end to all wars. but who is to deside who gets the gift of knowledge and who doesn't. To do that would to put one persons rights above another. At what cost would you be willing to make a "perfect world" because one that is based on lies and deception isn't a perfect world to me, no to me it is even worse than we started. We would be taking way what makes the human race unique and to me that isn't right at any cost.
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Post by: Heliopteryx on February 16, 2010, 02:43:54 PM
THOSE WHO WOULD SACRIFICE LIBERTY FOR SAFETY DESERVE NEITHER!
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Post by: Emma-la on February 16, 2010, 11:37:44 PM
RRG! You keep confusing me! I don't know what I would do, until I actually do it. So, it is wrong and right at the same time in my opiniion.
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Post by: Tabac vie on February 17, 2010, 11:16:17 AM
HOW IS IT RIGHT TO LIVE UNDER A SOCIETY THAT IS PURELY GOVERMENT RULED???!!! with out anyone having the ablility to THINK for themselves you might as well call it a dictatorship. Without the ability to comprend and have your own opinion (one that isn't corrupted) you might as well be living in one!
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Post by: Emma-la on February 17, 2010, 11:20:44 AM
Because they have the right idea, they just haven't solved it right yet. Freedom can destroy things. They were worried about what happened after the Rusties died out. I'm not saying they did the right thing, but at first they just wanted to keep that from happening again. They didn't go about the right way, but giving everyone total freedom isn't perfect anyways. What would you do if you were a person in that era? You're worried about what happened happening again, you can't trust that it won't if people have free will and go back to Rusty culture. You can't think of a different way to keep it all under control, so this is your only choice unless you want all civilization as you know it to colapse. Really, it's not the perfect answer to your worries, but what would you have done if that was how you thought. Which is probably how they thought in that era. That is how it is right and wrong.
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Post by: Tabac vie on February 17, 2010, 11:24:44 AM
nice Emma-la. It makes scence. It really does hit the key points on how the people of that age reacted. But they need to come up with another way to do it, away that didn't elimate a persons indivdual though, but prevented what happened from happening again. they went into this in good intent, but it just wasn't the right way.
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Post by: Emma-la on February 17, 2010, 11:26:32 AM
Thank you. You made great points too. I love to explain myself. It makes me feel happy.
My class is going to do a class newspaper! What should I be? A columnist? A reviewer? Just soem reporter? Editor?
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Post by: Tabac vie on February 17, 2010, 11:27:36 AM
colummnist. Editor is too much of a mess and youdon't get the fun of writing.
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Post by: Emma-la on February 17, 2010, 11:28:10 AM
Yay! Thank you.
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Post by: hannah_rox_ur_sox_off on February 19, 2010, 12:29:33 PM
ta tell yall the truth i like causin trouble way to much and that pplz i hate r afraid of me so ta tell u the truth i think its all just a can of bull cuse how pplz react to wuht u do shapes ever1 we learn from it all u see stuff different after that wed be aloy different if we didnt argue once in a while
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Post by: JimmyLost on February 19, 2010, 12:37:01 PM
erm, no offence but could you post in proper english I think I only caught half of what you were saying there.
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Post by: Tabac vie on February 19, 2010, 12:40:38 PM
same here. I called my roommate over to decode it....she's a texter. but yeah. please repost that.
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Post by: moviesontherun on February 20, 2010, 02:52:52 AM
both has pros and cons to it. the idea of it has good thought behind it but i know i would like to make my own decisions on things.
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Post by: Lorelai-wa on February 20, 2010, 04:23:01 AM
I Would Want To Be Pretty Forever And Get AnyThing I Want Whenever I Wanted It(Almost That Is.
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Post by: Tabac vie on February 20, 2010, 01:33:17 PM
Some times kisses are a better fate than wisdom. -ee cummings i believe.
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Post by: Jessie-wa121 on February 22, 2010, 07:32:48 AM
But you wouldn't know you were unable o make decisions, your body wants it anyway so it adapts to that and oesn't ask questions.
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Post by: քӀɑէվքմʂ-աɑ on February 22, 2010, 09:07:36 AM
Yeah but IF you didn't know about it, your life would just be perfect, I go with the pretty minded, I can get anything I would want.
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Post by: Team Toshi Banana on February 22, 2010, 10:19:08 AM
But if you were pretty-minded, you couldn't appreciate things like Scott's books, you probably wouldn't like thinking about things like that anymore, once your brain had been changed. Right?
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Post by: Heliopteryx on February 22, 2010, 11:15:22 AM
And if there were a completely uncontrollable apocalypse, you'd proably suffer a mental overload. 
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Post by: քӀɑէվքմʂ-աɑ on February 23, 2010, 09:59:26 AM
there wouldn't be scott's books because they would bann them so you would have a PERFECT life
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Post by: Team Toshi Banana on February 23, 2010, 10:19:39 PM
They'd ban all books, probably, and you'd read from your wallscreens. (Did they have those before the mind-rain or no? Can't remember suddenly)
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Post by: Lorelai-wa on February 24, 2010, 12:11:27 AM
I'm Not Sure Ethier
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Post by: Chloe-Wa on February 24, 2010, 04:29:53 AM
they did i think, because they used them to make their pretty morphos etc
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Post by: Jessie-wa121 on February 24, 2010, 12:21:57 PM
Yeah, they did. But it only talks about watching movies.
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Post by: Lorelai-wa on February 25, 2010, 12:18:37 AM
Cool.
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Post by: Tabac vie on February 26, 2010, 06:08:08 AM
And if there were a completely uncontrollable apocalypse, you'd proably suffer a mental overload. 

I would rather die fighting with my mind than live being oblivious to the world.
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Post by: Tabac vie on February 26, 2010, 08:19:05 AM
exactly....who would willingly want to be turned into a sad Paris Hilton.
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Post by: Tabac vie on February 26, 2010, 11:45:36 AM
I love debates. :o
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Post by: Team Toshi Banana on February 26, 2010, 11:52:35 AM
exactly....who would willingly want to be turned into a sad Paris Hilton.

or her thoughtless, shallow, and materialistic boyfriends ?

stay Buubly my friends...
Got to ask you, Darling-wa, who's the guy in your signature? I like it :D
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Post by: Chloe-Wa on February 27, 2010, 04:31:53 AM
i dont like wannabes and people who act stupid etc but i like paris hilton she's not stupid- she runs her own businesses and works hard
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Post by: Chloe-Wa on February 27, 2010, 08:40:52 AM
its ok i didnt mean to sound irritated btw i just feel bad that people always say stuff about paris and assume she's stupid
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Post by: քӀɑէվքմʂ-աɑ on February 27, 2010, 09:38:44 AM
yeah
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Post by: Chloe-Wa on February 27, 2010, 10:58:08 AM
aww, lol
that was interesting to listen to and quite funny
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Post by: Chloe-Wa on February 27, 2010, 11:17:19 AM
yep, thanks for posting it darling-wa  :D
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Post by: hoverponies forever on March 01, 2010, 08:50:40 AM
Being pretty minded would crush uniqueness. No one could be famous cuz everyone would be the same
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Post by: Team Toshi Banana on March 01, 2010, 09:12:08 AM
Being pretty minded would crush uniqueness. No one could be famous cuz everyone would be the same
Not exactly... there would still be popularoty... (Zane, the popular leader of a clique, would be considered more famous than Fausto, who was just there)
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Post by: hoverponies forever on March 01, 2010, 09:28:50 AM
yes, but not popularity based on accomplishments!
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Post by: JimmyLost on March 01, 2010, 09:30:28 AM
It dosn't usealy work like that for teenagers anyway
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Post by: Tabac vie on March 01, 2010, 09:33:33 AM
 would you be willing to give up your mind to be POPULAR.....?
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Post by: Team Toshi Banana on March 01, 2010, 09:37:30 AM
Duh no, I was just arguing with HPF because I enjoy arguing with her
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Post by: jess-la on March 21, 2010, 05:20:12 PM
personally, i dont want some complete sttranger poking around in my brain making sure that im forever complacent and stupid. i dont want to have to hurt myself to feel bubbly, or icy for that matter.
I LIKE MY BRAIN! ;D
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Post by: hoverponies forever on March 22, 2010, 03:52:25 AM
If anyone over 35 could read my mind, I would be in a mental hospital.
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Post by: Tabac vie on March 22, 2010, 12:12:01 PM
dude you don't even want to get me started on my mind.  ;)
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Post by: Chloe-Wa on March 23, 2010, 05:49:26 AM
haha its ok, my friends always ask me what i was thinking when i say things, but i dont know
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Post by: hoverponies forever on March 23, 2010, 12:46:42 PM
revision: If ANYONE could read my mind I'd be in a mental hospital.
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Post by: eviethecyborg on March 26, 2010, 12:31:24 AM
^Same here. 0.0

Uglies really opened my eyes to a lot of things. One of the most important things to me is my mind- there's no way I'm going to let it get tampered with willingly. That's why I don't mess around with drugs, cause it damages the way I process things.
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Post by: hoverponies forever on March 26, 2010, 10:34:51 AM
I did uglies for a book group, and people really do judge each other by appearance in a big way.
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Post by: Tabac vie on March 26, 2010, 11:09:56 AM
^Same here. 0.0

Uglies really opened my eyes to a lot of things. One of the most important things to me is my mind- there's no way I'm going to let it get tampered with willingly. That's why I don't mess around with drugs, cause it damages the way I process things.

seriously you guys don't mess around with drugs.....LSD and pot are too of the ones I can really warn you about, I've seen first hand people messing up there lives and there sanity b/c of it.
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Post by: Nina-Chan on March 26, 2010, 11:10:34 AM
aw
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Post by: hoverponies forever on March 26, 2010, 11:11:14 AM
have you read Go Ask Alice?
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Post by: Tabac vie on March 26, 2010, 11:12:48 AM
my god I love that book.!!! a reason why I stopped watching NEWMOON. I'll save the rant. but yeah GO ASK ALICE is amazing. everyone should read it.
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Post by: Tabac vie on March 26, 2010, 11:37:53 AM
which goes back to the very first post I posted on this thread...

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If people believe that they SHOULD be pretty minded then they become pretty minded. Regardless of if they are or aren't.

It's a state of mind. We are what we think we should be. Tally thought she SHouldn't be acting this way, so she stopped. I think most people convience themselves that stupid is the new cool they actually become stupid. Weather they realise this or not.
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Post by: bklvr!! on March 26, 2010, 12:38:18 PM
which goes back to the very first post I posted on this thread...

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If people believe that they SHOULD be pretty minded then they become pretty minded. Regardless of if they are or aren't.

It's a state of mind. We are what we think we should be. Tally thought she SHouldn't be acting this way, so she stopped. I think most people convience themselves that stupid is the new cool they actually become stupid. Weather they realise this or not.


It's a bit of a does the stereotype apply to the person, or does the person apply to the stereotype.
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Post by: eviethecyborg on March 26, 2010, 07:59:40 PM

Uglies really opened my eyes to a lot of things. One of the most important things to me is my mind- there's no way I'm going to let it get tampered with willingly. That's why I don't mess around with drugs, cause it damages the way I process things.

seriously you guys don't mess around with drugs.....LSD and pot are too of the ones I can really warn you about, I've seen first hand people messing up there lives and there sanity b/c of it.

Ditto.

Go Ask Alice? Was it written as badly as they say?

I did uglies for a book group, and people really do judge each other by appearance in a big way.

Yeah. I do it, but I'm not proud of it.
You have to admit though, if someone comes up to you with stringy hair, grim all over their face, and armpit stains then you're going to think, yeah, not someone I really wanna be around. As shallow as that sounds.
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Post by: Chloe-Wa on March 27, 2010, 06:50:44 AM
i don't dislike people for their natural appearance, but poor hygeine does repulse me so i wouldnt want to be around someone scruffy
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Post by: Tabac vie on March 27, 2010, 01:14:35 PM

Ditto.

Go Ask Alice? Was it written as badly as they say?



NO it's amazing Its a real diary, not it isn't the best piece of written lit. but it speaks the true emotions of this girls mind and is really hard
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Post by: hoverponies forever on March 27, 2010, 02:33:22 PM
Go Ask Alice is really moving. The ending doesn't make sense, but it's really well written, if you don't mind swears.
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Post by: eviethecyborg on March 27, 2010, 11:36:30 PM
You have a point there.

Oh. Cool. I'll see if I can find it then :)
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Post by: Team Toshi Banana on March 28, 2010, 12:29:08 AM
Yeah, I thought it was really good.
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Post by: hoverponies forever on March 28, 2010, 12:30:14 AM
Yeah, after I MADE you read it!
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Post by: Team Toshi Banana on March 28, 2010, 12:32:57 AM
Yeah. I never did get to finish it though (partly I got bored, partly Catching Fire was calling my name, and partly my mom found out and got reaally mad)
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Post by: hoverponies forever on March 28, 2010, 12:34:02 AM
You never told me you didn't finish it!MADMADMADANGRYANGRYANGRY!!!! how far did you get?
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Post by: Team Toshi Banana on March 28, 2010, 12:37:41 AM
Well, I got to like the 3rd-to-last chapter, hid it from my mom, she found it and made me stop, but I peeked at the last chapter to see how it ended. And then I went to go read Catching Fire!
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Post by: hoverponies forever on March 28, 2010, 12:38:55 AM
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Post by: PATT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on March 28, 2010, 01:45:27 AM
i wouldent mind it it would be a litle fun i think
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Post by: eviethecyborg on March 29, 2010, 01:56:48 AM
i wouldent mind it it would be a litle fun i think

I think I'd try it just to see what it felt like. But then I'd go back to being my good ol' brain damaged self =)
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Post by: Nina-Chan on April 02, 2010, 11:21:03 PM
that is so pretty time
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Post by: Chloe-Wa on April 03, 2010, 06:39:09 AM
wow, that does sound like pretty time, i suppose their society was a dictatorship but it wasnt ever a problem to people
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Post by: eviethecyborg on April 03, 2010, 07:59:26 AM
They just let the government take care of how society worked.
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Post by: Chloe-Wa on April 03, 2010, 08:02:16 AM
yep, but people didnt know what the government were doing to their brains
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Post by: bklvr!! on April 03, 2010, 08:03:40 AM
there was no consent
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Post by: hoverponies forever on April 04, 2010, 03:30:26 AM
if you told a pretty that their mind was being messed with, what would they say?
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Post by: bklvr!! on April 04, 2010, 05:33:18 AM
there was no consent

well, i guess there was consent in that the people at the time voted for Hitler/Nazis, as they won the 1932 election  fair and square. thereafter, the people just gave the nazis a huge blank check

I know, he won by an epic landslide. But i was talking about the pretties, having their heads messed with.
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Post by: Tabac vie on April 04, 2010, 07:23:18 AM
the fact that Hitler won was an example of how people are swayed by big words and new ideas. Hitler didn't start out as a killer he actually started out as an idealist he represented what the majority of germany felt at the time, wronged by other countries he was a promise of health and money he was the ideal vote.
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Post by: Chloe-Wa on April 04, 2010, 09:02:25 AM
the election wasnt actually fair, a lot of people were beaten up and threatened, and hitler passed a law so that the nazis were the only party allowed to exist (i'm not sure what year that was in though)
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Post by: Tabac vie on April 06, 2010, 04:49:48 AM
All of that happened after he had been elected the first time. But the first time he won by the pure fact that people wanted him to win, it wasn't until later that his real intentions became clear, that's when the threats and the laws began.
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Post by: Chloe-Wa on April 06, 2010, 05:17:04 AM
this has reminded me that i really should be revising for my history exam  :P
Hitler tricked people from the beginning, just not as obviously as after the first few elections, with things like calling the nazis National Socialists to get left and right wing voters etc
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Post by: Tabac vie on April 06, 2010, 05:23:24 AM
yes I tricked them he wasn't outright honnest but he had the majority of Germany on his side in the beginning, he was for retallation and that's what people wanted.
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Post by: steve-la on April 12, 2010, 09:53:52 AM
y r we talking abou Nazi's and Hitler
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Post by: JimmyLost on April 12, 2010, 10:10:03 AM
because we always stray off topic
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Post by: steve-la on April 12, 2010, 10:13:33 AM
so true
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Post by: Chloe-Wa on April 13, 2010, 06:00:36 AM
and it fits with pretty time being  like a dictatorship society
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Post by: steve-la on April 13, 2010, 07:53:09 AM
It happens that it is the Israeli Holocaust memorial day today
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Post by: Chloe-Wa on April 13, 2010, 08:04:14 AM
i didnt know that, another new thing learned on the westerforum  :)
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Post by: steve-la on April 13, 2010, 09:14:33 AM
Ya i have a Jewish friend
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Post by: hoverponies forever on April 13, 2010, 09:54:36 AM
you learn something new every day!
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Post by: steve-la on April 15, 2010, 06:27:12 AM
y is ur name hooverponies forever
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Post by: hoverponies forever on April 15, 2010, 11:53:58 AM
find a post by TTB and click on the link in her signature. All the proof lies there.
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Post by: steve-la on April 17, 2010, 01:31:10 AM
wut is ttb
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Post by: bklvr!! on April 17, 2010, 05:26:22 AM
wut is ttb

team toshi banana...she's a member
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Post by: hoverponies forever on April 18, 2010, 12:07:50 AM
Just look in the Hunger Games role play. She has a lot of posts there.
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Post by: Nina-Chan on April 18, 2010, 12:12:01 AM
ttb is cool (in a dork sense, not in a popular sense)
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Post by: hoverponies forever on April 18, 2010, 12:13:11 AM
Yeah, she is really nice and smart. She brings me green tea mints.
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Post by: Nina-Chan on April 18, 2010, 12:14:49 AM
cool!
she seems nice and smart but i dont know her personally, obviously
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Post by: Jessie-wa121 on April 20, 2010, 06:16:12 AM
Even though all of us are really defensive, they had no idea their minds were being messed with. Also, people in tally's city were literally, "bred" to think that way. Their parents sent them away when they got ugly, they were kept from everything until they were sixteen. If you were that emotionally desperate, wouldn't YOU do something that would make it all go away? I would.
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Post by: Nikki-La on April 22, 2010, 04:50:48 AM
       I for one would be fully bubbly to taking the operation.  :) If I could be a Pretty, that would be the best thing ever!  ;D Why would anyone be opposed to being made completely beautiful if you had the chance to. If the operation was different than the rink-dink plastic surgen engeniers that there are now, then why not do it? There really wouldn't be any risks, no wars, no fights, no gangs, no violence. As long as you are sixteen, then you can live life up and do whatever you want to do! There is no real harm in that. And hey, if you disagree with the lesions, then maybe one day, they could make it so that you can sorta think outside of the box. Maybe you could be one of the great minds to do it. But why not strive for everyone to be made beautiful? There wouldn't be any bulimia or anorexia and people wouldn't be dying over trying to be thin, and there wouldn't be any binge eaters who are trying to bulk up in weight. And, hey, if you felt like standing out from the crowd and not being uniform, that's what spiral tattoos are for and costomizing you eyes. There are ways to be different you know.
          I haven't even gotten to the environmental stand-point yet. Did anyone else in reading these series notice how sweet the environment was because people weren't screwing around with it? Being pretty DEFINATELY has more pros than cons! Why not give the operation a try?!?!?!  ;)
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Post by: JimmyLost on April 22, 2010, 05:53:39 AM
...cuz I'd rather have a brain, I don't know is that selfish of me?
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Post by: Tabac vie on April 22, 2010, 09:35:55 AM
please don' t even get me started again. Please see all the rants from pages before.
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Post by: Nina-Chan on April 22, 2010, 09:42:38 AM
"Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal..." --Martin Luther King, Jr.
because he made it legal
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Post by: steve-la on April 22, 2010, 09:49:20 AM
"Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal..." --Martin Luther King, Jr.
because he made it legal
agreed
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Post by: Tabac vie on April 22, 2010, 10:18:40 AM
but seriously niktork. there are MANY more cons than pros for the pretty opration. But I would like to hear all of what you have to say on the subject.
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Post by: Nikki-La on April 23, 2010, 04:46:52 AM
       Granted, it would be fun to be icy, but why NOT want to be pretty? If it meant that everything in the world could be safe, then why not try everything there is possible to make it so that things were safe? What real harm is there in being pretty-minded? You have a few lesions in your brain that make you not want to use all of the worlds resources, or start wars, or fight for petty reasons, is that wrong? Can people be so macho that they'd rather only think about themselves than the world as a whole? Is it wrong of me to think that things on Earth could be better than people scraping by for money and food to provide for themselves and their families? That people can have harmless fun? That kids can have something to look forward to when they grow up instead of having to get jobs when their family can't support them anymore?  ???

          The world with possibilities like that sounds pretty good to me. And no, I don't agree with Dr. Cable's tactics for all the people who would try to be individuals, because I'd be one of the people she'd be going after. But the world that she created, it seemed wonderful. People don't have to fight for our planets resources like natrual gas, oil, and coal. We wouldn't be cutting down trees every second or polluting the Earth either. Didn't Dr. Cable come up with a utopia for future life?  :-[
 
           Can someone please show me the negative impacts of a world like this because I'm not really seeing the downsides here...?  :-\
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Post by: Pedestrian on April 23, 2010, 06:29:47 AM
Because that kind of absolute perfection is the death of individuality and true beauty.
It's safety and comfort and the shallowest kind of happiness possible. It isn't real and it isn't meaingful.

To quote John the Savage from Aldous Huxley's Brave New World:
"But I don't want comfort. I want God, I want poetry, I want real danger, I want freedom, I want goodness. I want sin."

Maybe the operation makes society seem better as a whole, but what difference does that make if the thoughts and emotions of the individual are sacraficed to do it? It means we virtually killed humanity--by killing off everything that was meaningful about our race, everything that has always defined human beings. Is it worth killing humanity in this way in order to create a picture-perfect society?

My opinion is no.
But that's sort of where the paradox on the books lies. Is it worth killing humanity to save humanity? Or saving humanity just to kill them?
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Post by: Emma-la on April 23, 2010, 07:10:31 AM
I see both sides of the arguments and I've become conflicted. What Nikki-la has been saying is true, as is the other stuff. The whole environment part of Nikki's argument really did make sense to me. But also, the whole having no brain and everything...is it really worth it? I mean, there's more to life than being pretty and happy, isn't there? Sometimes you have to admit that being different in mind and looks-which they are taking away from us in the operation-is really great. There'd be no debates (I love having debates with my friends) and the city controls (basically) how you think and what you think about. It's nice to always be happy and pretty and have a perfect enviroment, but at the same time, think of all we'd be giving up for that.
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Post by: steve-la on April 23, 2010, 09:38:28 AM
I think pedestrian and nikki-la are trying to get us back on topic

I also think they will fail
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Post by: bklvr!! on April 23, 2010, 11:35:19 AM
even if they do succeed we'll trail off sooner or later...
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Post by: steve-la on April 23, 2010, 12:52:10 PM
it's inevitable
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Post by: Pedestrian on April 23, 2010, 01:02:27 PM
/facepalm.
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Post by: JimmyLost on April 23, 2010, 01:03:08 PM
lol faceplant facepalm
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Post by: steve-la on April 23, 2010, 01:05:33 PM
does that exxist
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Post by: Nikki-La on April 24, 2010, 04:58:34 AM
hahaha. ;)

I think Pedestrian and Emma-la really do have a point. debates are fun. and i would miss going against what other people do. its one of my joys (lol). but what about the revolution that Tally started? she got people to not be like everyone else, but still be bubbly.
:D
................ :-\....................hmm........................ ???..........................but i'm thinking...........?........what if they could do the operation to effect what we do on on the environment and to each other but leave the prettiness and thought.

now, i'm not so good with the brain technics here (didn't focus that much when we went over it in AP Psych), but is there a way to let you think freely but not actually act on it if it was too dangerous or violent? like turning off that switch in your brain or something?
???

PS. whats facepalm and faceplant??? ;D
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Post by: JimmyLost on April 24, 2010, 05:24:26 AM
to quote batman:  It's not who I am underneath, but what I do that defines me. So a a wold full of people who want to do something but just won't seems wrong to me. Also we can save the earth without lobotomizing ourselves. Also Also if the people who look after the pretties decide one day that they want to do the opposite of the perfect world-ness like wage wars and destroy things all the pretties would just go along with it cuz that's what pretties do.
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Post by: Nikki-La on April 24, 2010, 05:54:19 AM
well....... lets think scientifically on this, social darwinism. aka SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST. the pretties that could make it into Crims, they would know enough to not go along with it. sure, they'd still be pretty-minded, but the other pretties could maybe be the ones to retain the bubble-headedness and let whoever could make it into the Crims could be the ones to be free thinkers. Survival of the Fittest, right? wouldn't that work? it makes sense to me.
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Post by: JimmyLost on April 24, 2010, 06:03:11 AM
ya but power corrupts, being in charge of everyone would be alot of power, and what if there was a dissagrement within the crims? Also that still leaves the majority of the population easy to control.
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Post by: steve-la on April 24, 2010, 09:33:45 AM
let's go back off topic who likes oranges?
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Post by: Mara-la on April 25, 2010, 11:03:17 PM
Well, maybe we could only alter the way we do things. War was an example. Switch that gear off, and you've got everything good with no bad!
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Post by: JimmyLost on April 26, 2010, 03:32:00 AM
I don't think it's that easy... why do people go to war (well idealy let's leave out government stuff and money)? It's usualy to defend there belifes/values/oppinoins/ext so that gear would be those things, which is essencialy what pretties are.
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Post by: Pedestrian on April 26, 2010, 03:52:56 AM
But war is just a really exaggerated form of argument.
What about debate, freedom of speech?
I don't think there's a little brain section for "war", so I don't think you can just turn that off without turning off the right to have an opinion.

Big things like "war" and "harming the enviroment" aren't really switches in our brains. They're results of a combination of instinctual desires and how we achieve them as an entire society.
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Post by: steve-la on April 26, 2010, 04:04:58 AM
gggo off topic!!
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Post by: JimmyLost on April 26, 2010, 04:11:45 AM
But war is just a really exaggerated form of argument.
What about debate, freedom of speech?
I don't think there's a little brain section for "war", so I don't think you can just turn that off without turning off the right to have an opinion.

Big things like "war" and "harming the enviroment" aren't really switches in our brains. They're results of a combination of instinctual desires and how we achieve them as an entire society.
ya what he said,
sorry mate I like this topic
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Post by: Nikki-La on April 27, 2010, 04:29:42 AM
so before there was language, a "pre-rusty" was already arguing with another one because it was instinct? how is that? if there was no language, there was no argument. but yeah, i bet they did throwdown to the death of that piece of chicken their mom to them to split.............
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Post by: Pedestrian on April 27, 2010, 06:28:41 AM
so before there was language, a "pre-rusty" was already arguing with another one because it was instinct? how is that? if there was no language, there was no argument.
I didn't say that. I don't know that. You don't know that.
I was probably wrong to say that war is only exaggerated argument.
I don't know enough about psychology to explain what war results from. Only that it's a very, very complex sociological behavior that you can't turn on and off.

Any single thought that you have in your mind isn't in one place in your brain, but in many places. So war, which encompasses several ideas--personal beliefs and morality, conformity, patriotism, violence and bloodlust--how could you even "find" war in someone's brain?

I guess this is mostly just awe at the entire idea of lesions. They're not possible now, so it's hard to say what would and would not be possible in the manipulation of them if they actually existed.
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Post by: Tabac vie on April 27, 2010, 09:07:51 AM
I have noted Nikki-la that life with out war and hunger would be a great one. But their is to much sacrifice with that.  What is the point of saving a humanity that has nothing that is good about it? If we lacked what made humanity humanity we would lose bad sure but we would also lose so many wonderful things.


As for "pre-rusty" it's the human, no any life force way to react oppostite another. take wolves for example....they don't talk...they fight over leadership, food, etc. It's part of what makes a living being a living being the fight, arguments.  As Pedestrian said their isn't a simple off on switch...to do such a feat as you suggest would require completely rewiring the brain. We would lose what makes humans humans. It almost would get to the point of artifial intelligence. but thats another debate.
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Post by: Nikki-La on April 28, 2010, 04:13:50 AM
true. and i really don't think that i'd want to lose the abilities that i have now...........CRAP yall are turnin me!!!!!!!!! :-\
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Post by: Tabac vie on April 28, 2010, 07:57:12 AM
hahaha. :D sorry Nikki la I just love a good debate!
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Tabac vie on April 28, 2010, 08:19:21 AM
noted: but what did that animal lose? A lot. Plus the example was to show how words aren't just the reason for arguements, it's wired in the brain,to fight for ones self to well for lack of a better word, corrupt.
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Nina-Chan on April 28, 2010, 08:35:09 AM
wow!
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Nina-Chan on April 28, 2010, 08:40:12 AM
way too much overpopulation
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Nina-Chan on April 28, 2010, 08:50:25 AM
no genetic evolution whatsoever?
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Tabac vie on April 28, 2010, 08:56:05 AM
wow!

ikr !!! it's all about adapting to the environment !!!

the problem with humans is that there is just too many of us, so like wild wolves we fight each other for dwindling resources

It has nothing to do with dwindling resources. sure that is a arguement but it is the human nature, the way the brain was created that causes are arguements. It has nothing to do with the world, if the world was flawless (it practically was) we would still be there to ruin it, to fight. It's in the human nature to argue...see how much pleasure I get out of arguing with you guys...that is my mind, years of human nature.
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Nina-Chan on April 28, 2010, 08:59:24 AM
it is partialy brain-wiring and just too many people too
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Tabac vie on April 28, 2010, 09:08:42 AM
true with overcrowding came and increase from arguements.....more people more things to argue about more people rubbing shoulders. but the base of arguing is human wiring human nature.
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Tabac vie on April 28, 2010, 09:16:40 AM
Their is good and bad in all people. But what i'm talking about is the want to argue to state ones opinion to have your own MIND. That is some thing that will always be human nature.
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Tabac vie on April 28, 2010, 09:29:51 AM
everyone has an opinion. Everyone has their own thought process. Humans have opinions on things. That is a fact. Humans argue because humans are different, have different opinions have different upbringings. yes people are different but we all have the desire to think for ourselves and not have others think for us.
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Nikki-La on April 29, 2010, 04:25:24 AM
yeah. i agree with Tabac vie. Humans were programmed to question everything, to have our own opinions of things. we cant help it. its part of some genetic code in our DNA to question what we do not know and to fight for what we believe in. Why do you think that when people are put on trial and are asked to go against their convictions or suffer the consequences, if they truely believe it, then they'll die for it. Do you think that deep down they really want to die? (of course there's always a small portion that does) They do it because it is encoded in us to do it. Captains go down with their ships. Men and women go to war for their countries. African Americans marched for their rights. Chinese underground Christians were steam-rolled because they refused to deny their religion. Obama became president because he wasn't intimidated by homicidal theats to him if he was to become an African American president. Joan of Arc was burned at the steak. Nazis killed others unlike them. Rachel Scott refused to deny Christ and was killed because of it.
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Tabac vie on April 29, 2010, 05:45:30 AM
So isn't debatable...humans will fight for their right to think for them selves...we always have, history proves that.
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Lorelai-wa on April 29, 2010, 10:46:33 PM
I belive she say she still did belive in GOD.
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Nikki-La on April 30, 2010, 12:41:50 AM
me too. and even if she didn't say it verbally, she did believe in God and she proved her believe and love and stuck by her convictions and gave her life doing that.
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Chloe-Wa on April 30, 2010, 03:46:11 AM
Martyrdom is a very brave thing, i admire some people who go to such lengths for what they believe in, particularly the woman (i don't remember her name) who threw herself under a horse for women to get the vote. however, sometimes, when people become too violent, they lose site of what they're fighting for and people can't always see what they're fighting for either, so they just look violent
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Nikki-La on April 30, 2010, 04:20:28 AM
Yeah. going in blind about a cause is NEVER a good thing. it just looks dumb
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Nikki-La on May 02, 2010, 08:30:38 AM
"Abominations such as apartheid do not start with an entire population suddenly becoming inhumane..."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/desmond-tutu/arizona----the-wrong-answ_b_557955.html
wat??? im confused now
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Nikki-La on May 02, 2010, 08:48:00 AM
Bishop Tutu is talking about being Pretty-minded
whos Bishop Tutu???
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Nikki-La on May 02, 2010, 08:55:09 AM
where do u get this stuff from???
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Nikki-La on May 02, 2010, 09:15:18 AM
wat station???
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Nikki-La on May 02, 2010, 09:29:54 AM
i havnt heard anything of it
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Nikki-La on May 03, 2010, 07:55:21 AM
hmm
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Nina-Chan on May 25, 2010, 08:43:56 AM
wow!!!!!
darling wa, is "They Live" any good?
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Nina-Chan on May 25, 2010, 09:08:02 AM
it sounds awesome
i saw "Troy" when i was 12, i can handle it.
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: hoverponies forever on May 26, 2010, 10:08:11 AM
How naughty?
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Nina-Chan on May 30, 2010, 12:45:38 PM
lol
im assuming very, hpf
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: hoverponies forever on May 31, 2010, 03:21:12 AM
Yeah probably.
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Nina-Chan on May 31, 2010, 03:34:39 AM
yupp
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: hoverponies forever on May 31, 2010, 08:33:57 AM
Because that's just how things are
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Post by: Mara-la on December 09, 2010, 10:55:52 AM
All the old members. I'm sad.  :'( :'(
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Beth-la on December 09, 2010, 10:56:54 AM
Aw...well, we got lots of people on here yesterday!!!!1
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Mara-la on December 09, 2010, 10:57:27 AM
REALLY???? Who?!?!?!?!?!?
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Beth-la on December 09, 2010, 10:58:31 AM
James, Tabac Vie, Mike, TTB
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Mara-la on December 09, 2010, 11:23:12 AM
TTB?! REALLY!!!! Damn, I missed them :'(
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Dr.Cable on December 09, 2010, 11:46:49 AM
You are siding with the bad side. And i'm with you.
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Mara-la on December 09, 2010, 11:47:26 AM
hmm??
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Beth-la on December 09, 2010, 12:07:31 PM
TTB?! REALLY!!!! Damn, I missed them :'(
I missed Mike and TTB too.  :P
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: hoverponies forever on January 09, 2011, 04:20:02 PM
I argued with TTB, she won't come back.
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: Kristen-la on April 06, 2011, 11:45:02 PM
i wish i was pretty minded, it would be worth what it lost
Title: Re: Maybe everyone being Pretty-minded wouldn't be such a bad idea...
Post by: hoverponies forever on April 07, 2011, 05:32:29 AM
TTB?! REALLY!!!! Damn, I missed them :'(
I missed Mike and TTB too.  :P
TTB's coming to the meet-up! You can see her then...