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Title: Possible Inspiration for Deryn?
Post by: MismatchedSocks on September 06, 2011, 09:05:50 AM
I was reading in my text book and found someone interesting. Deborah Sampson. She was the first American woman to impersonate a man. So I was thinking about Deryn Sharp and Deborah Sampson. Both of their initials are D.S. She was also tall and strong. I wonder if Scott has heard about her, and if she might have been part of the inspiration for Deryn.
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Post by: booklover on September 06, 2011, 09:07:02 AM
maybe.... thats cool
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Post by: MismatchedSocks on September 06, 2011, 09:08:06 AM
I thought it was cool too. Maybe I will ask him if he knows about her when I meet him.
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Post by: booklover on September 06, 2011, 09:08:24 AM
yup
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Post by: Miss Lucy on September 06, 2011, 11:56:21 AM
There's an English folk song about a lass who disguised herself as a boy to join the army, called Sweet Polly Oliver or Pretty Polly Oliver. It's a really old trick. Also see: Hua Mulan.
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Post by: JayBird on September 06, 2011, 08:38:52 PM
I've heard of Deborah Samson too - she was pretty amazing.
There's loads of songs about girls dressing as boys; Jackaroe, Sweet Polly Oliver, Handsome Cabin Boy, Soldier Maid (which is even Scottish!)

Also, I one of my friend's great-grandmothers pulled this trick, and dressed up as a boy to be a jockey and race horses.  ;D
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Post by: ~Steampunk~Bovril~ on September 07, 2011, 09:42:40 AM
I thought it was cool too. Maybe I will ask him if he knows about her when I meet him.
YOU ARE GOING TO MEET THE SCOTT WESTERFELD??!!! *Dies*
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Post by: Lightning4 on September 07, 2011, 09:44:18 AM
I thought it was cool too. Maybe I will ask him if he knows about her when I meet him.
YOU ARE GOING TO MEET THE SCOTT WESTERFELD??!!! *Dies*
WHAT?!
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Post by: ~Steampunk~Bovril~ on September 07, 2011, 09:46:59 AM
I would love to meet Scott, though I probably never will.
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Post by: MismatchedSocks on September 07, 2011, 11:01:12 AM
Yes! I'm so excited! This is going to sound creepy but last year I got there but didn't get a spot in line in time so it was super long (I doubt my parents would stand in that line. In. The. Heat.) so I just peeked trough the back of the tent. And was like ' :o He looks like a normal person.' yes. I actually said that. Real quotes.
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Post by: ~Steampunk~Bovril~ on September 07, 2011, 11:10:30 AM
*Gasp* When are you meeting him?  :D
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Post by: MismatchedSocks on September 07, 2011, 11:16:47 AM
I think October 1. Around 10:30. But Im might have to double check.
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Post by: flashstick on September 08, 2011, 03:09:45 PM
Scott needs to come to Georgia.
Or somewhere else I can get to.
OR ELSE.
D:
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Post by: MismatchedSocks on September 08, 2011, 11:08:44 PM
Or else? Or else what????????
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Post by: stopthattime_rave on September 09, 2011, 09:56:25 AM
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SweetPollyOliver - Sweet Polly Oliver
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/Leviathan - Leviathan
These are the trope pages (duh). I hope they're helpful!!
(WARNING: this site is addictive)
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Post by: Klarsynet on September 09, 2011, 09:59:15 AM
That site is like my best friend. xD
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Post by: stopthattime_rave on September 09, 2011, 10:51:51 AM
I love it!!
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Post by: waxesnostalgic on September 15, 2011, 01:04:01 PM
I remembered another crossdressed soldier when I re-read an article from my undergraduate thesis the other day.... Hannah Snell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannah_Snell). She seems very Deryn-like to me. She sailed in the Royal Navy for two years. Later she demanded her pension from the government an actually got it. This was back in 1750, though. XD She then sold her story to a publisher and made some money from that too. Unfortunately, later versions of her biography were heavily edited to make her seem more "feminine" for Victorian sensibilities.

She even has her own website, how cool is that: http://www.hannahsnell.com/
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Post by: MismatchedSocks on September 15, 2011, 01:06:17 PM
Deborah got figured out by a doctor when she was shot in the shoulder.
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Post by: CorpseVendor on September 16, 2011, 06:22:20 AM
LOLZ! I like in the "Provides examples of:" section where they say; "Attractive Bent Gender: Judging from the illustrations, Deryn makes a damn fine guy and girl. Alek and Lilit vouch for this as well."

 ;D
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Post by: stopthattime_rave on September 16, 2011, 09:34:44 AM
LOLZ! I like in the "Provides examples of:" section where they say; "Attractive Bent Gender: Judging from the illustrations, Deryn makes a damn fine guy and girl. Alek and Lilit vouch for this as well."

 ;D
XD Isn't that awesome?
Title: Re: Possible Inspiration for Deryn?
Post by: Bananza on September 16, 2011, 09:42:47 AM
LOLZ! I like in the "Provides examples of:" section where they say; "Attractive Bent Gender: Judging from the illustrations, Deryn makes a damn fine guy and girl. Alek and Lilit vouch for this as well."

 ;D
nice!!!!
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Post by: CorpseVendor on September 16, 2011, 11:28:03 AM
Hellz yeah!
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Post by: flashstick on September 16, 2011, 01:48:03 PM
There's an English folk song about a lass who disguised herself as a boy to join the army, called Sweet Polly Oliver or Pretty Polly Oliver. It's a really old trick. Also see: Hua Mulan.

Also see: Almost every book in my library xD
Title: Re: Possible Inspiration for Deryn?
Post by: Miss Lucy on September 16, 2011, 04:53:42 PM
Flashstick, I'd like to browse your library. xD

Now that I've gotten around to reading Behemoth, I'm convinced that the love triangle template was inspired by Yentl, and the big big robots were inspired by mecha anime. Gonna read Goliath tonight to see how it ends, nobody spoil me yet.
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Post by: MismatchedSocks on September 16, 2011, 11:04:24 PM
How does everyone have Goliath?
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Post by: Klarsynet on September 17, 2011, 06:36:32 AM
No idea.
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Post by: CorpseVendor on September 17, 2011, 11:12:19 AM
Advance Reader's Copy my guess