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Scott's Books => Leviathan / Behemoth / Goliath => Topic started by: Aaza on April 07, 2012, 06:55:22 AM

Title: Titles of Books
Post by: Aaza on April 07, 2012, 06:55:22 AM
I've recently discovered some really cool theories about why the Leviathan series is called the Leviathan series. You see, in the Jewish/Christian Faith there were creatures mentioned in the Bible. These creatures were dinosaurs, and there were mainly two species named. The Leviathan, and the Behemoth. Both can be found in New Testament. And in the Old Testament, there were a pack of Giants. The Leader of these Giants was called Goliath. Does anyone else believe this is were the names of the books came from? Are my theories corect? Just wondering! 
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Post by: Bramblepool on April 07, 2012, 07:09:22 AM
i havent found those words anywhere else so i guess thats where they came from... not that my judgement should be trusted or anything.
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Post by: deathchicken on April 07, 2012, 08:15:48 AM
I've recently discovered some really cool theories about why the Leviathan series is called the Leviathan series. You see, in the Jewish/Christian Faith there were creatures mentioned in the Bible. These creatures were dinosaurs, and there were mainly two species named. The Leviathan, and the Behemoth. Both can be found in New Testament. And in the Old Testament, there were a pack of Giants. The Leader of these Giants was called Goliath. Does anyone else believe this is were the names of the books came from? Are my theories corect? Just wondering! 
Wow... No wonder im athiest.
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Post by: gavinfuzzy on April 07, 2012, 08:33:02 PM
I have not noticed ...  :-[

Wow.

Is Mr Westerfeld a Christian? Or maybe it's pure coincidence since these are names for massive beings.
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Post by: Bramblepool on April 07, 2012, 10:39:23 PM
It seems a little weird that it might be coincidence.  When I first read the books i noticed where Goliath was from (partly because thats how i get people to pronounce my last name right...) and then a couple weeks ago i figured out the Leviathan one.
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Post by: MismatchedSocks on April 07, 2012, 11:01:09 PM
He talked about it somewhere, but they are all biblical names.
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Post by: Bramblepool on April 07, 2012, 11:01:46 PM
*nod*  the leviathan was evil...
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Post by: sophakada on April 07, 2012, 11:05:18 PM
Really? I know it was a sea monster, which i found awesome cuz sea monsters are generally pretty badass.
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Post by: Bramblepool on April 07, 2012, 11:07:01 PM
it represented Satan dear.
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Post by: Daft_Prince on April 07, 2012, 11:28:47 PM
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Originally Leviathan and Behemoth were coincidental, then Scott or a fan noticed the connection, and realise to keep in pattern he would have to call the third book Ziz.
Mr Westerfeld didn't really like Ziz and a fan suggested Goliath. It had three syllables and the 'th' sound, so he chose to use it.
I read that somewhere, can't remember where.
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Post by: Bramblepool on April 07, 2012, 11:35:28 PM
i guess that makes sense...
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Post by: deathchicken on April 08, 2012, 03:47:52 AM
Leviathan, Behemoth, and Goliath are all from Greek mythology I think.
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Post by: Bramblepool on April 08, 2012, 03:49:22 AM
Really?
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Post by: deathchicken on April 08, 2012, 03:53:32 AM
The Leviathan at least, it was a sea monster posidean controlled.
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Post by: sophakada on April 08, 2012, 05:01:23 AM
it represented Satan dear.
The Leviathan at least, it was a sea monster posidean controlled.

I TOLD YOU IT WAS A SEA MONSTER, GUAVA!
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Post by: deathchicken on April 08, 2012, 05:35:55 AM
Lol I dont if it actually is. But in the game. God of War it is
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Post by: deathchicken on April 09, 2012, 04:46:00 AM
I just looked it up, Leviathan is one of the seven princes of Hell.
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Post by: Bramblepool on April 09, 2012, 04:46:53 AM
hmmm interesting....
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Post by: deathchicken on April 09, 2012, 04:47:40 AM
And behemoth was a demon of sorts.
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Post by: Bramblepool on April 09, 2012, 04:48:23 AM
ooh cool.
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Post by: bovrillsmustache on April 09, 2012, 04:53:09 AM
uh oh ! somebody warn Deryn, shes living in a prince of hell!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Bramblepool on April 09, 2012, 04:55:05 AM
I WOULD IF I COULD!
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Post by: bovrillsmustache on April 09, 2012, 04:55:32 AM
ok sorry that sounded wrong. I didnt mean it like that, honest!!!
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Post by: Bramblepool on April 09, 2012, 04:57:56 AM
*pat pat*  its okay.
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Post by: tridecagirl on April 09, 2012, 05:31:43 AM
Leviathan and Behemoth were biblical monsters, yes.
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Post by: bovrillsmustache on April 09, 2012, 05:36:58 AM
I guess shes not living on Leviathan anymore.
we should warn Newkirk instead!
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Post by: Bramblepool on April 09, 2012, 11:09:17 PM
NO.  DO NOT.
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Post by: bovrillsmustache on April 09, 2012, 11:28:20 PM
Why? You don't like Newkirk? That's just mean of you. I'm shore he feels very hurt right now.
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Post by: Bramblepool on April 09, 2012, 11:30:37 PM
BUT IF DERYNS GONE MAYBE FITZROY TOOOK HER PLACE.  AND IF WE TELL NEWKIRK HE'LL TELL THE CAPTAIN.  AND THE CAPTAIN WILL EVACUATE THE SHIP.  AND THEN FITZROY WONT SUFFER A HORRIBLE DEATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: bovrillsmustache on April 09, 2012, 11:41:11 PM
Well we'll just have to knock fitzroy out first then, won't we.
MWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Bramblepool on April 09, 2012, 11:42:10 PM
*CACKLES*  I CALLS IT!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: bovrillsmustache on April 09, 2012, 11:49:17 PM
Or we could tazer him first then tie him to a huxley so that when he wakes up he's 1000of  feet in the air and the last thing he sees is a big prince of hell....
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Post by: Bramblepool on April 09, 2012, 11:50:41 PM
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.
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Post by: Leocus on April 11, 2012, 01:53:47 AM
 :o :o I confused.
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Post by: Bramblepool on April 11, 2012, 03:40:00 AM
oh whyever would you be confused?
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Post by: sophakada on April 11, 2012, 11:58:45 AM
Or we could tazer him first then tie him to a huxley so that when he wakes up he's 1000of  feet in the air and the last thing he sees is a big prince of hell....

Don't encourage her.
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Post by: Bramblepool on April 12, 2012, 03:01:17 AM
hahahahaha.... HAHAHAHA..... MWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: bovrillsmustache on April 12, 2012, 11:27:41 AM
Sorry sorry sorry didnt mean to set her off like that(apologies all round)
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Post by: Bramblepool on April 13, 2012, 10:25:04 AM
oh no.  you didnt set me off.  i was like that before.
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Post by: bovrillsmustache on April 13, 2012, 10:58:19 AM
Ok that's good cos I was starting to feel bad about it.
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Post by: Bramblepool on April 13, 2012, 11:01:17 AM
its okay *pat pat*