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Scott's Books => Leviathan / Behemoth / Goliath => Topic started by: Abby-la on April 15, 2012, 05:26:34 AM

Title: Question
Post by: Abby-la on April 15, 2012, 05:26:34 AM
Hi everyone, I'm an Uglies fan and I usually just post over there, but do you guys think I should read Leviathan?
Probably asking the wrong group of people, but...
Let me know what you think
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Bramblepool on April 15, 2012, 05:28:01 AM
YES.  I'M BEGGING YOU WITH ALL OF MY BEING AND MY FEET.  READ IT AND TALK TO ME ABOUT IT.  PLEASE.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: MismatchedSocks on April 15, 2012, 05:49:27 AM
Leviathan and Uglies are really different. I've read both of them, and I really liked both of them!
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Dinosaurs-in-Airplanes on April 15, 2012, 05:54:17 AM
When I first heard/saw Leviathan I didn't think it would be all that good but it was amazing!!
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Tesla on April 15, 2012, 05:57:54 AM
Nikola tesla approves this book  ;D
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Bramblepool on April 15, 2012, 06:49:04 AM
REEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAD IIIIIIIIIIIT.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Luna Lovegood on April 15, 2012, 11:06:57 AM
it's really better than uglies if you can believe it. It makes you lol in public places it's so funny.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: gavinfuzzy on April 15, 2012, 12:47:46 PM
it's really better than uglies if you can believe it. It makes you lol in public places it's so funny.

I have never LOLed while reading Leviathan, and i read it in the subway... (or subway equivalent of my country.  ;D)
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Luna Lovegood on April 15, 2012, 01:04:14 PM
really? I did with the last 1.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Eraisuithiel on April 15, 2012, 01:39:14 PM
Personally, I don't think it's as good as Uglies, but it is pretty good at any rate. :p
Title: Re: Question
Post by: gavinfuzzy on April 16, 2012, 12:50:37 AM
I dont think there is a "Best book". Everything is good in their own rights. Like you cant compare apples to oranges.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Bramblepool on April 16, 2012, 04:09:10 AM
i beg to differ.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: stopthattime_rave on April 16, 2012, 04:52:30 AM
Just read it. And Behemoth after that. And then Goliath, and the Manual of Aeronautics when it comes out. YOU MUST. YOU MUST READ THEM!!!
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Abby-la on April 16, 2012, 11:30:53 PM
Just read it. And Behemoth after that. And then Goliath, and the Manual of Aeronautics when it comes out. YOU MUST. YOU MUST READ THEM!!!

*shrinks into corner*
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Dinosaurs-in-Airplanes on April 16, 2012, 11:46:17 PM
I dont think there is a "Best book". Everything is good in their own rights. Like you cant compare apples to oranges.
I agree! :))
Title: Re: Question
Post by: chewbacccccca on April 17, 2012, 01:18:11 AM
I can tell that you won't regret reading the series :)
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Bramblepool on April 17, 2012, 06:44:54 AM
LIKE I SAID:

REEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAD.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: gavinfuzzy on April 18, 2012, 06:20:43 PM
Here's another question:

(http://images.memegenerator.net/instances/260x260/9679389.jpg)
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Daft_Prince on April 18, 2012, 08:01:28 PM
Well I'm a huge Leviathan fan and I've just started reading Uglies.
Despite the compeletely different setting I've noticed the writing is a very similar style.

For example:
From Behemoth Ch. 23
Quote
   "Get ready, lads." She shouted, "Three, two, one ..."
   ... and jumped.
And from Uglies Ch. 2
Quote
"Heads up!" Tally shouted.
And jumped.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Bramblepool on April 19, 2012, 04:32:24 AM
Oh thats cool.  Never noticed that.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: sophakada on April 19, 2012, 09:02:23 AM
YES.  I'M BEGGING YOU WITH ALL OF MY BEING AND MY FEET.  READ IT AND TALK TO ME ABOUT IT.  PLEASE.

....does that mean your feet aren't part of your being...?
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Daft_Prince on April 21, 2012, 09:33:10 PM
I opened the first page of Specials, checked the name of the first chapter and this is what I found:

Crashing a Bash
(http://keiththompsonart.com/pages/crash.html for those who don't understand)

Nothing in that picture happened in the chapter, which dissapointed me.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Abby-la on April 21, 2012, 10:21:28 PM
Here's another question:

(http://images.memegenerator.net/instances/260x260/9679389.jpg)

ummmmmm... no?
Title: Re: Question
Post by: gavinfuzzy on April 21, 2012, 10:46:22 PM
Here's another question:

(http://images.memegenerator.net/instances/260x260/9679389.jpg)

ummmmmm... no?

Damn.  :(
Title: Re: Question
Post by: gavinfuzzy on April 21, 2012, 10:47:41 PM
I opened the first page of Specials, checked the name of the first chapter and this is what I found:

Crashing a Bash
(http://keiththompsonart.com/pages/crash.html for those who don't understand)

Nothing in that picture happened in the chapter, which dissapointed me.

Which came out 1st? That art or Specials? Seriously, it would have been epic if that art was really used in Goliath, or the MOA. Damn book trolls.  >:(
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Daft_Prince on April 21, 2012, 11:16:31 PM
I opened the first page of Specials, checked the name of the first chapter and this is what I found:

Crashing a Bash
(http://keiththompsonart.com/pages/crash.html for those who don't understand)

Nothing in that picture happened in the chapter, which dissapointed me.

Which came out 1st? That art or Specials? Seriously, it would have been epic if that art was really used in Goliath, or the MOA. Damn book trolls.  >:(
I'm pretty sure Specials was first.
Also, I'm surprised I haven't seen any fanfiction that tries to explaint that particular image.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: gavinfuzzy on April 22, 2012, 01:46:01 AM
I opened the first page of Specials, checked the name of the first chapter and this is what I found:

Crashing a Bash
(http://keiththompsonart.com/pages/crash.html for those who don't understand)

Nothing in that picture happened in the chapter, which dissapointed me.

Which came out 1st? That art or Specials? Seriously, it would have been epic if that art was really used in Goliath, or the MOA. Damn book trolls.  >:(
I'm pretty sure Specials was first.
Also, I'm surprised I haven't seen any fanfiction that tries to explaint that particular image.

Any fanfic i attempt to write would end up with shittons of transformers references... so yeah.... Is that Deryln in a suit and Alex in a dress?

(http://dyingread.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/3005.jackie-chan-meme-why.jpg)
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Dinosaurs-in-Airplanes on April 22, 2012, 02:18:53 AM
I opened the first page of Specials, checked the name of the first chapter and this is what I found:

Crashing a Bash
(http://keiththompsonart.com/pages/crash.html for those who don't understand)

Nothing in that picture happened in the chapter, which dissapointed me.

Which came out 1st? That art or Specials? Seriously, it would have been epic if that art was really used in Goliath, or the MOA. Damn book trolls.  >:(
I'm pretty sure Specials was first.
Also, I'm surprised I haven't seen any fanfiction that tries to explaint that particular image.

Any fanfic i attempt to write would end up with shittons of transformers references... so yeah.... Is that Deryln in a suit and Alex in a dress?

(http://dyingread.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/3005.jackie-chan-meme-why.jpg)
It's Deryn in a suit and Lilit in a dress. Alek is on top of the walker.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: MismatchedSocks on April 22, 2012, 03:53:05 AM
Can't forget the Volger facepalm and Lillit's knife bouquet!
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Dinosaurs-in-Airplanes on April 22, 2012, 03:55:04 AM
Can't forget the Volger facepalm and Lillit's knife bouquet!
Ahh! I can't forget that!!
Title: Re: Question
Post by: stopthattime_rave on April 22, 2012, 10:48:12 AM
Can''t forget ANY PART OF IT.. OMFG.. It is PERFECT.. :33
((Making up my own TROLLISH FORM OF TYPING.. DON''T ask why.. I just WANTED TO, okay??))
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Daft_Prince on April 22, 2012, 11:01:38 PM
Also, I'm surprised I haven't seen any fanfiction that tries to explaint that particular image.
Nevermind, someone has. One of my favourite fanfictioners in fact, Middy Miles.
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7732511/4/A_Bit_of_Tailoring
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Daft_Prince on April 23, 2012, 12:11:19 AM
Anyway, just finished Specials. Unfortunately Extras isn't on the Kindle store so I don't have it yet. From the preview chapter I've read it seems to be a seperate story (correct me if I'm wrong) so I think I can safely talk about the Uglies series.
So, the big questions:
Is it good?
Yes!
Is it as good as Leviathan?
No!
Why?
The structure of Leviathan was simpler and more powerful than Uglies. Leviathan held the ending 'goal' constant through the whole series (Alek's ascent to the throne and stopping the war), but also spent the whole time secretly building and making Alek realise another 'goal' (Alek and Deryn being in love, Alek's realisation about his destiny in the Tokyo scene is a great example). Then it brought the new goal and the old goal together at the climax (think 'smoke bomb', 'Tesla' and 'walking stick') and let the new goal compeletely take over in a sudden epiphany for the final chapter ("meteoric!") (Now that I look back I realise this was mostly the structure for Alek in Goliath, I consider Leviathan to be setup and Behemoth to be more about Deryn). I remember when I read the final chapter I didn't expect Alek's decision until the very line it happened; I thought he would simply have to leave Deryn with a dissapointing ending. My mind was blank with the raw emotion that the ending conjured up.
The first book of Uglies was handling this very well for a while, but after a while the story had to move away from this structure in order to continue, and it got very complicated. The ending wasn't a surprise realisation because I had no idea what Tally's ambition was leading up to it. That's not to say it wasn't powerful, just that it wasn't supported by the entire series like Leviathan.
Put simply, compared to Leviathan's intelligently and powerfully structured story, Uglies often felt like a sequence of random events, like Westerfeld was making it up as he wrote.

That's not to say that Uglies is bad, it certainly kept me engaged. In fact you can probabely taste the sheer joy I felt when writing about Leviathan, and you'll realise I mostly just want to reinforce that Leviathan is pure dead brilliant.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Daft_Prince on April 23, 2012, 12:12:58 AM
Wow, that was almost 400 words, if only homework could be so enjoyable.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: gavinfuzzy on April 23, 2012, 12:15:52 AM
Wow, that was almost 400 words, if only homework could be so enjoyable.

Thanks for reminding me... i still have a 500 word essay to write on how to plot my zodiac constellation on graph paper.  >:(

Also, I'm not done with the Leviathan trillogy (halfway through Goliath), but books of the steampunk genre are at the top of my list, nothing comes close to beating it, except Dan Brown's novels, which are all fantastic in their own way.  :D
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Daft_Prince on April 23, 2012, 12:26:57 AM
That sounds like a really weird topic for an essay.
I hope you appreciate the way I de-spoilered that post by making all the plot points into subtle hints instead of outright saying them.
But seriously, I would be careful about being on these forums before you've finished reading.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: gavinfuzzy on April 23, 2012, 12:31:43 AM
That sounds like a really weird topic for an essay.
I hope you appreciate the way I de-spoilered that post by making all the plot points into subtle hints instead of outright saying them.
But seriously, I would be careful about being on these forums before you've finished reading.

Well, i saw the last picture of the book, flipped to the end once Goliath came in from Amazon :D I have a vague idea where this is going, but i've still got half a book to read before i know the read ending...  :)

This is the longest time I've ever taken to read a book, usually I'm done by 3 days tops.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Daft_Prince on April 23, 2012, 04:15:35 PM
I wrote 400 words on a whim and nobody has replied in the last 151/2 hours?
This is unnacceptable!

*Is only pretending to care, yet still subtly bumped the thread to the top of the list*
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Bramblepool on April 25, 2012, 07:09:00 AM
Yeah.  Very subtle.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Luna Lovegood on April 25, 2012, 07:19:14 AM
Anyway, just finished Specials. Unfortunately Extras isn't on the Kindle store so I don't have it yet. From the preview chapter I've read it seems to be a seperate story (correct me if I'm wrong) so I think I can safely talk about the Uglies series.
So, the big questions:
Is it good?
Yes!
Is it as good as Leviathan?
No!
Why?
The structure of Leviathan was simpler and more powerful than Uglies. Leviathan held the ending 'goal' constant through the whole series (Alek's ascent to the throne and stopping the war), but also spent the whole time secretly building and making Alek realise another 'goal' (Alek and Deryn being in love, Alek's realisation about his destiny in the Tokyo scene is a great example). Then it brought the new goal and the old goal together at the climax (think 'smoke bomb', 'Tesla' and 'walking stick') and let the new goal compeletely take over in a sudden epiphany for the final chapter ("meteoric!") (Now that I look back I realise this was mostly the structure for Alek in Goliath, I consider Leviathan to be setup and Behemoth to be more about Deryn). I remember when I read the final chapter I didn't expect Alek's decision until the very line it happened; I thought he would simply have to leave Deryn with a dissapointing ending. My mind was blank with the raw emotion that the ending conjured up.
The first book of Uglies was handling this very well for a while, but after a while the story had to move away from this structure in order to continue, and it got very complicated. The ending wasn't a surprise realisation because I had no idea what Tally's ambition was leading up to it. That's not to say it wasn't powerful, just that it wasn't supported by the entire series like Leviathan.
Put simply, compared to Leviathan's intelligently and powerfully structured story, Uglies often felt like a sequence of random events, like Westerfeld was making it up as he wrote.

That's not to say that Uglies is bad, it certainly kept me engaged. In fact you can probabely taste the sheer joy I felt when writing about Leviathan, and you'll realise I mostly just want to reinforce that Leviathan is pure dead brilliant.


I love you! that's exactly how I feel!
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Anchorgurl1 on April 26, 2012, 10:36:04 AM
Anyway, just finished Specials. Unfortunately Extras isn't on the Kindle store so I don't have it yet. From the preview chapter I've read it seems to be a seperate story (correct me if I'm wrong) so I think I can safely talk about the Uglies series.
So, the big questions:
Is it good?
Yes!
Is it as good as Leviathan?
No!
Why?
The structure of Leviathan was simpler and more powerful than Uglies. Leviathan held the ending 'goal' constant through the whole series (Alek's ascent to the throne and stopping the war), but also spent the whole time secretly building and making Alek realise another 'goal' (Alek and Deryn being in love, Alek's realisation about his destiny in the Tokyo scene is a great example). Then it brought the new goal and the old goal together at the climax (think 'smoke bomb', 'Tesla' and 'walking stick') and let the new goal compeletely take over in a sudden epiphany for the final chapter ("meteoric!") (Now that I look back I realise this was mostly the structure for Alek in Goliath, I consider Leviathan to be setup and Behemoth to be more about Deryn). I remember when I read the final chapter I didn't expect Alek's decision until the very line it happened; I thought he would simply have to leave Deryn with a dissapointing ending. My mind was blank with the raw emotion that the ending conjured up.
The first book of Uglies was handling this very well for a while, but after a while the story had to move away from this structure in order to continue, and it got very complicated. The ending wasn't a surprise realisation because I had no idea what Tally's ambition was leading up to it. That's not to say it wasn't powerful, just that it wasn't supported by the entire series like Leviathan.
Put simply, compared to Leviathan's intelligently and powerfully structured story, Uglies often felt like a sequence of random events, like Westerfeld was making it up as he wrote.

That's not to say that Uglies is bad, it certainly kept me engaged. In fact you can probabely taste the sheer joy I felt when writing about Leviathan, and you'll realise I mostly just want to reinforce that Leviathan is pure dead brilliant.


I love you! that's exactly how I feel!

I love all of you!!! That's how I see it too!
Title: Re: Question
Post by: gavinfuzzy on April 27, 2012, 12:44:57 AM
Anyway, just finished Specials. Unfortunately Extras isn't on the Kindle store so I don't have it yet. From the preview chapter I've read it seems to be a seperate story (correct me if I'm wrong) so I think I can safely talk about the Uglies series.
So, the big questions:
Is it good?
Yes!
Is it as good as Leviathan?
No!
Why?
The structure of Leviathan was simpler and more powerful than Uglies. Leviathan held the ending 'goal' constant through the whole series (Alek's ascent to the throne and stopping the war), but also spent the whole time secretly building and making Alek realise another 'goal' (Alek and Deryn being in love, Alek's realisation about his destiny in the Tokyo scene is a great example). Then it brought the new goal and the old goal together at the climax (think 'smoke bomb', 'Tesla' and 'walking stick') and let the new goal compeletely take over in a sudden epiphany for the final chapter ("meteoric!") (Now that I look back I realise this was mostly the structure for Alek in Goliath, I consider Leviathan to be setup and Behemoth to be more about Deryn). I remember when I read the final chapter I didn't expect Alek's decision until the very line it happened; I thought he would simply have to leave Deryn with a dissapointing ending. My mind was blank with the raw emotion that the ending conjured up.
The first book of Uglies was handling this very well for a while, but after a while the story had to move away from this structure in order to continue, and it got very complicated. The ending wasn't a surprise realisation because I had no idea what Tally's ambition was leading up to it. That's not to say it wasn't powerful, just that it wasn't supported by the entire series like Leviathan.
Put simply, compared to Leviathan's intelligently and powerfully structured story, Uglies often felt like a sequence of random events, like Westerfeld was making it up as he wrote.

That's not to say that Uglies is bad, it certainly kept me engaged. In fact you can probabely taste the sheer joy I felt when writing about Leviathan, and you'll realise I mostly just want to reinforce that Leviathan is pure dead brilliant.


I love you! that's exactly how I feel!

I love all of you!!! That's how I see it too!

Well, Leviathan is one of the only books i read that alternate between the 1st person views of 2 characters, and of 2 gender, which make it all that more interesting, hearing the story from 2 perspectives, and yet they come together at times and it flows real smoothly. So... props to that.

I have not read Uglies... I would try to read the series before the movie comes out in November... (If it ever shows in my country). So no comparison here.

But overall, I love steampunk books, so naturally i find it a great book, one of the bests.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Daft_Prince on April 29, 2012, 03:02:52 AM
Ha! See, now people are replying!
FAKE SUBTLETY WORKS!
Title: Re: Question
Post by: stopthattime_rave on April 29, 2012, 08:48:34 AM
Ha! See, now people are replying!
FAKE SUBTLETY WORKS!
That it does, my dear daft prince, that it does. :33
And I think that explanation was rather awesome, aye. :33
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Daft_Prince on April 29, 2012, 02:23:04 PM
Ha! See, now people are replying!
FAKE SUBTLETY WORKS!
That it does, my dear daft prince, that it does. :33
And I think that explanation was rather awesome, aye. :33
Thank you for the compliment.
Leviathan was a kind of turning point for me when I realised all those english teachers and other intellectuals might have been right when they said that a good story is carried by the emotions of its characters rather than the scale of its events. I also learnt that romance can actually be really good if done well.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: gavinfuzzy on April 29, 2012, 02:29:27 PM
Ha! See, now people are replying!
FAKE SUBTLETY WORKS!
That it does, my dear daft prince, that it does. :33
And I think that explanation was rather awesome, aye. :33
Thank you for the compliment.
Leviathan was a kind of turning point for me when I realised all those english teachers and other intellectuals might have been right when they said that a good story is carried by the emotions of its characters rather than the scale of its events. I also learnt that romance can actually be really good if done well.

I think of the bullshit that is Twillight whenever I think of  romance book.

(http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/do-not-want-guy.jpg)

Besides, the romance only took place for like 1/8 of Goliath. Since according to the bonus chapter on Scott's blog, Derlyn ( I can't spell) goes back to being a boy to work for the Zoo.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Daft_Prince on April 29, 2012, 02:49:13 PM
I think of the bullshit that is Twillight whenever I think of  romance book.

Besides, the romance only took place for like 1/8 of Goliath. Since according to the bonus chapter on Scott's blog, Derlyn ( I can't spell) goes back to being a boy to work for the Zoo.
I also learnt that romance can actually be really good if done well.
The part of that quote I have emboldened should tell you why Twilight doesn't count. One terrible example should not drag down an entire genre. Now let's just pretend Twilight doesn't exist and all those fans who say otherwise are just really into gothic folklore.

Also it's Deryn, just remove the 'l'.

I think what makes the romance in Leviathan so good is that its very subtle until the end. It's the most important part of the book but it's not the whole book.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Bramblepool on April 30, 2012, 06:25:15 AM
Yeah and then if you want LOTS of Dalek just read fanfics.  works for me.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Daft_Prince on April 30, 2012, 08:43:16 PM
Ah yes, the fanfiction. Lot's of Dalek fluff there. Still, my favourite is So what happens next?Orion, which keeps the same balance of romance/action/plot as the actual books.
But then my other favourite is Goggles, so perhaps a bit of pure... uh... 'romance' can be good too.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: gavinfuzzy on April 30, 2012, 09:01:29 PM
Ah yes, the fanfiction. Lot's of Dalek fluff there. Still, my favourite is So what happens next?Orion, which keeps the same balance of romance/action/plot as the actual books.
But then my other favourite is Goggles, so perhaps a bit of pure... uh... 'romance' can be good too.

Orion? Is that a book too?
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Daft_Prince on April 30, 2012, 09:45:01 PM
It's the name of a fanfiction. Orion is its proper sort of name and So what happens next? is the basic premise of the story. I would reccomend reading it immediately.

Goggles on the other hand is a series of 4 short stories by Julia456 that cant'g go in Quite Peculier because they are rated M for being erotic (but in a really subtle way).
Title: Re: Question
Post by: gavinfuzzy on April 30, 2012, 10:06:54 PM
It's the name of a fanfiction. Orion is its proper sort of name and So what happens next? is the basic premise of the story. I would reccomend reading it immediately.

Goggles on the other hand is a series of 4 short stories by Julia456 that cant'g go in Quite Peculier because they are rated M for being erotic (but in a really subtle way).

Any link to the fanfics? I don't accept fanfics but i'll read it anyways.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Daft_Prince on April 30, 2012, 10:22:30 PM
It's the name of a fanfiction. Orion is its proper sort of name and So what happens next? is the basic premise of the story. I would reccomend reading it immediately.

Goggles on the other hand is a series of 4 short stories by Julia456 that cant'g go in Quite Peculier because they are rated M for being erotic (but in a really subtle way).

Any link to the fanfics? I don't accept fanfics but i'll read it anyways.
So what happens next? Orion
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7732544/1/So_What_Happens_Next_Orion

And Goggles if that's what your into
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6837694/1/Goggles
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Straif on May 01, 2012, 06:17:00 AM
Huh, I always had trouble reading Orion...just couldn't get into it though.
Goggles I liked. Made me write my own lemon for the series too.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: gavinfuzzy on May 01, 2012, 06:50:57 PM
It's the name of a fanfiction. Orion is its proper sort of name and So what happens next? is the basic premise of the story. I would reccomend reading it immediately.

Goggles on the other hand is a series of 4 short stories by Julia456 that cant'g go in Quite Peculier because they are rated M for being erotic (but in a really subtle way).

Any link to the fanfics? I don't accept fanfics but i'll read it anyways.
So what happens next? Orion
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7732544/1/So_What_Happens_Next_Orion

And Goggles if that's what your into
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6837694/1/Goggles

Barking spiders! 20+ chapters!

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-W6ti67rs4b0/T1UBjzMY3-I/AAAAAAAAAz8/4nRiPiADOI8/s1600/ed-nortan-laptop.gif)
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Straif on May 02, 2012, 01:02:56 AM
Yeah. It's one of the few fanfictions that every even begins to reach actual novel lenght. Can't really read it myself, for some reason.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: gavinfuzzy on May 02, 2012, 01:05:31 AM
Yeah. It's one of the few fanfictions that every even begins to reach actual novel lenght. Can't really read it myself, for some reason.

Doesn't help that I don't accept fan fictions. I only occasionally read the shorter fan fics. But to me, they never really take place in the Leviathan universe section of my mind and imagination.  ;D
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Straif on May 02, 2012, 01:09:56 AM
Good...you are of clearer mind then most fanfic readers. They read stuff on FF.N and instantly think it's the fo real deal. No. It's not. And honestly, I think that's part of the reason I can't read Orion. Leviathan ended with Goliath. Simple as that. Well, except for the "cough" bonus chapter, but that was just an excuse to put Alek in a dress and do some fanservice to some Texan idiots who made a in-real-life huxley out of ballons and streamers.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Anchorgurl1 on May 02, 2012, 11:18:16 AM
Good...you are of clearer mind then most fanfic readers. They read stuff on FF.N and instantly think it's the fo real deal. No. It's not. And honestly, I think that's part of the reason I can't read Orion. Leviathan ended with Goliath. Simple as that. Well, except for the "cough" bonus chapter, but that was just an excuse to put Alek in a dress and do some fanservice to some Texan idiots who made a in-real-life huxley out of ballons and streamers.
Well we're in a mood lol but, I must say I agree! That's why most of my fics are super OOC most of the times
F.G.- Dylan as a guy and Alek as a chick, or Deryn as a Darwinist princess in a female domonite society and Alek as a guy dressed as a lass in fore mentioned female domonite society!!!
PS- I don't have shame so find me here- http://anchorgurl1.deviantart.com/
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Straif on May 02, 2012, 11:24:29 AM
I know of your work. I have read it on DeviantArt. I my self am Straif5 on there also. We have conversed before. I suggested that you expand your flipped characters a little more, I believe.
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Post by: Anchorgurl1 on May 02, 2012, 11:37:13 AM
HAHA! Yes I know you have but, it was for the unknowing masses :)
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Straif on May 02, 2012, 02:07:22 PM
Ah...well, lets hope some of them read your stuff.
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Post by: gavinfuzzy on May 02, 2012, 05:47:06 PM
Good...you are of clearer mind then most fanfic readers. They read stuff on FF.N and instantly think it's the fo real deal. No. It's not. And honestly, I think that's part of the reason I can't read Orion. Leviathan ended with Goliath. Simple as that. Well, except for the "cough" bonus chapter, but that was just an excuse to put Alek in a dress and do some fanservice to some Texan idiots who made a in-real-life huxley out of ballons and streamers.

Finally I found someone who shares my view  ;D
Well, the only fan -fic I accept is Transformers. Well, after 28 years of writing, some of the "official" stories and comics do get rather facepalm...
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Daft_Prince on May 02, 2012, 11:45:00 PM
I agree that Leviathan ended with Goliath. I don't see why that stops me from enjoying fanfiction. I don't consider anything there to be canon
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Post by: Straif on May 03, 2012, 12:43:59 AM

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Finally I found someone who shares my view  ;D
Well, the only fan -fic I accept is Transformers. Well, after 28 years of writing, some of the "official" stories and comics do get rather facepalm...
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Yeah, Tranformers is one of those series where its sometimes hard to tell the difference between actual stories and what are basically accended fanfictions.

And Daft_Prince: I still do enjoy them. I DON'T enjoy people who take them far to seriously, as if they are actually canon. Which you obviously don't. Very good.
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Post by: gavinfuzzy on May 03, 2012, 12:44:55 AM
Seriously please write a 4th book, I see room for expansion, probably post WW1, like in the zoo or something. It would be hard to match the content of Goliath though, It is the thickest book I own, albeit the font is rather huge, with buttloads of pictures in between....
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Straif on May 03, 2012, 12:55:14 AM
I'd like another one too, but Westerfeld made it pretty clear that he was done with the series. I think he wanted to right more, but it just wasn't as popular as it should have been. Well, one thing for that (starts sharpening knifes and starving Throwing Sharks) I'm going to go murder some Twilight fans.
Nah, kidding.
Though, honestly, where would he go with the fourth book? I doubt you guys want to read about Alek and Deryn doing stuff for Barlow. At least, I know I don't. All the good stuff (read: THE ENTIRNY OF WWI) has been cut off thanks to the Leviathan. There might not even be a second World War in this one, which sucks, because then my Grandpa will never be deployed to the Phillipines, never have the life-changing experence he had there that made him marry my grandma, which will mean my mom will never be born, which means I WONT BE BORN. Thanks Westerfeld.
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Post by: Anchorgurl1 on May 03, 2012, 05:41:26 AM
I'd like another one too, but Westerfeld made it pretty clear that he was done with the series. I think he wanted to right more, but it just wasn't as popular as it should have been. Well, one thing for that (starts sharpening knifes and starving Throwing Sharks) I'm going to go murder some Twilight fans.
Nah, kidding.
Though, honestly, where would he go with the fourth book? I doubt you guys want to read about Alek and Deryn doing stuff for Barlow. At least, I know I don't. All the good stuff (read: THE ENTIRNY OF WWI) has been cut off thanks to the Leviathan. There might not even be a second World War in this one, which sucks, because then my Grandpa will never be deployed to the Phillipines, never have the life-changing experence he had there that made him marry my grandma, which will mean my mom will never be born, which means I WONT BE BORN. Thanks Westerfeld.
You are the weakest link goodbye! Wait...then my grandmother wouldn't hav been sent to a consentration camp...then she wouldn't have meet my grandfather in the post liberation deportation to the dislocated peoples camp...
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Straif on May 03, 2012, 09:27:07 AM
No camp; good
Not meeting your grandpa...bad.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: gavinfuzzy on May 03, 2012, 08:09:27 PM
I'd like another one too, but Westerfeld made it pretty clear that he was done with the series. I think he wanted to right more, but it just wasn't as popular as it should have been. Well, one thing for that (starts sharpening knifes and starving Throwing Sharks) I'm going to go murder some Twilight fans.
Nah, kidding.
Though, honestly, where would he go with the fourth book? I doubt you guys want to read about Alek and Deryn doing stuff for Barlow. At least, I know I don't. All the good stuff (read: THE ENTIRNY OF WWI) has been cut off thanks to the Leviathan. There might not even be a second World War in this one, which sucks, because then my Grandpa will never be deployed to the Phillipines, never have the life-changing experence he had there that made him marry my grandma, which will mean my mom will never be born, which means I WONT BE BORN. Thanks Westerfeld.

Stuff would probably find a way into existence. I'm not just refering to the 4th book but well, well, if WWII never took place, you would still probably be born in one way or another. Just don't think about it, it'll make your mind hurt trying to inception yourself.  ;D Like how I occasionally think what it would be like if the milky way did not exists. Just think about the vastness of our universe, and that's just 8 planets in the milky way, 1 small galaxy compared the the vastness of space around us, that we would never know what is beyond our galaxy. It make your head hurt. XD 

Also, I think if Scott  really wanted, he could write about a 4th book. Stuff seems impossible or highly unlikely to work out till we attempt them. 
Title: Re: Question
Post by: deathchicken on May 03, 2012, 10:43:23 PM
WW2 better happen.
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Post by: gavinfuzzy on May 03, 2012, 10:50:41 PM
WW2 better happen.

It happenED. My country was invaded by the Japanese for a few years at that time...
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Straif on May 04, 2012, 01:16:16 AM
I'd like another one too, but Westerfeld made it pretty clear that he was done with the series. I think he wanted to right more, but it just wasn't as popular as it should have been. Well, one thing for that (starts sharpening knifes and starving Throwing Sharks) I'm going to go murder some Twilight fans.
Nah, kidding.
Though, honestly, where would he go with the fourth book? I doubt you guys want to read about Alek and Deryn doing stuff for Barlow. At least, I know I don't. All the good stuff (read: THE ENTIRNY OF WWI) has been cut off thanks to the Leviathan. There might not even be a second World War in this one, which sucks, because then my Grandpa will never be deployed to the Phillipines, never have the life-changing experence he had there that made him marry my grandma, which will mean my mom will never be born, which means I WONT BE BORN. Thanks Westerfeld.

Stuff would probably find a way into existence. I'm not just refering to the 4th book but well, well, if WWII never took place, you would still probably be born in one way or another. Just don't think about it, it'll make your mind hurt trying to inception yourself.  ;D Like how I occasionally think what it would be like if the milky way did not exists. Just think about the vastness of our universe, and that's just 8 planets in the milky way, 1 small galaxy compared the the vastness of space around us, that we would never know what is beyond our galaxy. It make your head hurt. XD 

Also, I think if Scott  really wanted, he could write about a 4th book. Stuff seems impossible or highly unlikely to work out till we attempt them.

Okay, let me think....owowowowoowowowow okay, stopping now. Why am I seeing never-ending staircases and a British guy? And ah yes, the mind-breaking vastness of space. How I love it so.
You're probably right.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: gavinfuzzy on May 04, 2012, 01:57:43 AM
I'd like another one too, but Westerfeld made it pretty clear that he was done with the series. I think he wanted to right more, but it just wasn't as popular as it should have been. Well, one thing for that (starts sharpening knifes and starving Throwing Sharks) I'm going to go murder some Twilight fans.
Nah, kidding.
Though, honestly, where would he go with the fourth book? I doubt you guys want to read about Alek and Deryn doing stuff for Barlow. At least, I know I don't. All the good stuff (read: THE ENTIRNY OF WWI) has been cut off thanks to the Leviathan. There might not even be a second World War in this one, which sucks, because then my Grandpa will never be deployed to the Phillipines, never have the life-changing experence he had there that made him marry my grandma, which will mean my mom will never be born, which means I WONT BE BORN. Thanks Westerfeld.

Stuff would probably find a way into existence. I'm not just refering to the 4th book but well, well, if WWII never took place, you would still probably be born in one way or another. Just don't think about it, it'll make your mind hurt trying to inception yourself.  ;D Like how I occasionally think what it would be like if the milky way did not exists. Just think about the vastness of our universe, and that's just 8 planets in the milky way, 1 small galaxy compared the the vastness of space around us, that we would never know what is beyond our galaxy. It make your head hurt. XD 

Also, I think if Scott  really wanted, he could write about a 4th book. Stuff seems impossible or highly unlikely to work out till we attempt them.

Okay, let me think....owowowowoowowowow okay, stopping now. Why am I seeing never-ending staircases and a British guy? And ah yes, the mind-breaking vastness of space. How I love it so.
You're probably right.

I'm Asian. *insert all the asian memes here*  ;D
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Straif on May 04, 2012, 02:00:04 AM
I honestly don't know any Asian memes...wait, do you play any Blizzard games?
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Post by: gavinfuzzy on May 04, 2012, 02:12:32 AM
I honestly don't know any Asian memes...wait, do you play any Blizzard games?

No... I'm not korean , so no Starcraft either. XD. I don't game. Unless you count the very occasional COD 4 or Minecraft. The last time i opened either games was at the start of the year.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Straif on May 04, 2012, 06:19:50 AM
Starcraft is a Blizzard game. Minecraft is dead fun though. So very addicting.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: deathchicken on May 04, 2012, 09:12:16 AM
I <3 minecraft.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Straif on May 04, 2012, 11:07:22 AM
Who doesn't love Minecraft.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: gavinfuzzy on May 04, 2012, 02:30:34 PM
Who doesn't love Minecraft.

I got bored of it. Plus the new mechanics screwed up my world, made in early alpha (1.2 I believe). Started playing in Mid 2010, and now it's just boring. Much has changed since minecraft started, some updates are not necessarily better. I had a whole bunch of train tracks on glowstone, that feature was removed in full release 1.0, and bugged out my whole map.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Straif on May 04, 2012, 02:51:15 PM
Oh well that sucks nuts...
Title: Re: Question
Post by: gavinfuzzy on May 04, 2012, 03:02:52 PM
Oh well that sucks nuts...

Too lazy to MC edit it to get it fixed, since I rarely play it anymore... Now my bro just play minecraft to blow everything up with TNT.

When did you start? Back in Alpha there were not any booster tracks, so you had to make alot of your own booster circuits.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Straif on May 04, 2012, 03:58:42 PM
Ah. Eh, not worth it anyway. Wait till the full version comes out.
And I don't play on my system. I play on my freinds.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Daft_Prince on May 05, 2012, 01:09:21 PM
I'm kind of on and off with MineCraft. I've had fun building things in creative recently though. I made an amazing hot air balloon.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Straif on May 05, 2012, 01:10:12 PM
Someone actually made a full-scale Leviathan in it. It's obviously not actually a floating whale, but it looks amazingly like it. Dressed his character up like Alek too!
Title: Re: Question
Post by: gavinfuzzy on May 05, 2012, 11:31:30 PM
Someone actually made a full-scale Leviathan in it. It's obviously not actually a floating whale, but it looks amazingly like it. Dressed his character up like Alek too!

I read the 1st line and I was like :O  ;D.

I read on then i was like
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2cbvhs3UR1r9yu9b.jpg)

How DOES Alek even look... might have to flip through the books again, I can't tell Alek and Deryn apart... (No shitting)
Title: Re: Question
Post by: MismatchedSocks on May 06, 2012, 01:53:05 AM
Deny has the light hair, and Alek has dark hair.
That's all I got for now. I need to look at some pictures.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: gavinfuzzy on May 06, 2012, 02:01:01 AM
Deny has the light hair, and Alek has dark hair.
That's all I got for now. I need to look at some pictures.

Your books are in colour?  :o XD
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Bramblepool on May 06, 2012, 03:09:53 AM
Deryn has sandy blonde hair and is skinny and tall.
Aleks shorter than her with curly reddish brown hair green eyes and pale skin.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: gavinfuzzy on May 06, 2012, 03:18:46 AM
Deryn has sandy blonde hair and is skinny and tall.
Aleks shorter than her with curly reddish brown hair green eyes and pale skin.

Again, your books are in colour?  :o With greyscale i can hardly tell! :(
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Bramblepool on May 06, 2012, 03:22:32 AM
No color.  Ive just read through them so many times that ive absorbed everything appearance wise that theyve said about them.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Straif on May 06, 2012, 03:44:25 AM

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How DOES Alek even look... might have to flip through the books again, I can't tell Alek and Deryn apart... (No shitting)
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Me either. You know that picture in Leviathan where Deryn takes off her glove to punch Alek? I couldn't tell who was who.
But what's coming along here seems to fit what I've heard. Additionally; Deryn is actually slightly more muscular than Alek is due to her rigging time, and she has a scar on her...left knee, I believe. Alek is less muscular, but he's got more scars. Additionally, he has a nasty bruise on his chest from being shot with an air pistol, discolored and strange-textured skin on his arms and hands from electrical shocks, and post-Leviathan I think some of his hair is gone.
This is what I've put together from all the stuff that happens to them in the books, anyway. Not a lot of it's mentioned, but I'm guessing based on what I know of human biology and its reaction to these stimulusses.
And, before you ask, yes, I am compiling a list of what they would look like naked.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Bramblepool on May 06, 2012, 03:45:18 AM
wow...
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Tesla on May 06, 2012, 03:47:25 AM
0_o
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Straif on May 06, 2012, 04:30:24 AM
Behold; the amount of work it takes to write a good smut fic.
I would think so, Tesla. It's you're fault Alek lost some of his hair...
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Daft_Prince on May 09, 2012, 10:07:10 PM
Ahem. Nudity aside, this:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-LfhcinaiVLg/Tz2oH0Va2DI/AAAAAAAAAKw/pbnN7TOo9hI/s1600/aleck+and+deryn+portraits.jpg)
is what they look like.
Alek's portrait frame is the greatest portrait frame ever made.
Deryn's is cool too but it lacks the royal clanker flamboyance.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Straif on May 10, 2012, 12:49:48 AM
Oh yeah, these pictures! Sure helped me out. Thank you Thomson and your awesome drawing skillz.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Daft_Prince on May 10, 2012, 08:52:28 PM
Keith often draws non-humans (really creepy non-humans) so a lot of the characters in Leviathan look kind of alien upon close inspection.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: gavinfuzzy on May 10, 2012, 08:54:11 PM
Keith often draws non-humans (really creepy non-humans) so a lot of the characters in Leviathan look kind of alien upon close inspection.

He drew some of the Aleins from Borderlands... or at least concept art...
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Daft_Prince on May 10, 2012, 08:55:58 PM
I know. When I was playing through it with my friends, I kept blaming Keith for making them so hard to headshot. The plan was that they would ask who Keith Thompson was and I would get to mention Leviathan again.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: gavinfuzzy on May 10, 2012, 09:05:23 PM
I know. When I was playing through it with my friends, I kept blaming Keith for making them so hard to headshot. The plan was that they would ask who Keith Thompson was and I would get to mention Leviathan again.

XD I recommended Leviathan to a freind, who also plays borderlands, and he guessed that whoever did the illustrations for Leviathan drew for boarderlands too, without research.  ;)
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Straif on May 11, 2012, 12:35:26 AM
Thomson did stuff for Borderlands? Awesome. And alien is a pretty good description.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Bramblepool on May 11, 2012, 11:51:58 AM
Or alienesque.
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Post by: Go_Clanker on July 05, 2012, 08:12:07 AM
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