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Title: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Luna Lovegood on April 24, 2012, 07:22:29 AM
Okay, I've been hearing a lot of "Katniss is just a rip off of Tally and Suzanne just ripped Scott off and I hate the Hunger Game!" Well, aside from being really annoying, this is just not accurate for so many reasons. I mean sure there are similarities, but it's not a copy. Here are the reasons why.

Truth- Both books have female main character
Truth-almsot half of all YA books have girls for main person in the story.
Truth- There is a love triangle in both
Truth-City of Bones, Twilight, Vampier Academy, Wickedly Lovely all had this, and no 1 said they were copying Scott.
Truth-they are both Dystopias
Truth- There are a heck of a lot of books like that right now, it's a popular topic!
Truth-In uglies, the government keeps the people, healthy, happy and pampered to they do not do crazy things or rebel.
Truth- In hunger games, they starve them, beat them, and torture them so they can't rebel.
Truth-uglies characters care about looking nice.
Truth- Hunger Game's people don't give a damm and care about making it to tomorrow alive
Truth- Hunger Games is written in 1st person
Truth-Uglies is written in third

I don't see that many similarities here guys. To say Hunger is a bad imitation of uglies, it's not true, because it's not suppose to be and imitation of uglies to begin with.
 
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Lauren-sensei on April 24, 2012, 07:55:27 AM
That is so right!
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: cass.anne16 on April 28, 2012, 03:27:02 PM
I think more than anything it's the fact that they are both successful teen novels being adapted to the big screen. 


Now, if this was about which series wins out....well, let's just say I'm posting on a Uglies forum and not a Hunger Games one. ;)
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Luna Lovegood on April 29, 2012, 04:41:22 AM
This is not a thread of which 1 you like more, this is a thread about why you cannot call Hunger a cheap ripoff of Uglies.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 01, 2012, 06:06:09 AM
There really aren't that many similarites, I agree. I haven't read Hunger Games, but I can tell from what little I know there's almost no correlation between them. Which makes me even more puzzled by people who say Katniss could kill Special Tally...yeah, right.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Hope-la on May 01, 2012, 06:21:51 AM
Which makes me even more puzzled by people who say Katniss could kill Special Tally...yeah, right.
Suuuure.
The main similarity is that they're both teen dystopias, but the worlds they are set in are radically different. (Although not that much, now that I think about it... both governments want to control their population, one by the Hunger Games and one by brain damage.)
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 01, 2012, 09:24:15 AM
I hate how people automatically assume that when two books are "similar," one is "copying" the other. If no book were ever influenced by another book, books would suck. Authors use elements from other works of literature to improve their own, and a novel that is entirely original would have little going for it. I think what people should be discussing is not whether Collins "copied" Scott, but how his work may have influenced the development of her story or the way people look at it.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Lauren-sensei on May 01, 2012, 09:30:36 AM
I hate how people automatically assume that when two books are "similar," one is "copying" the other. If no book were ever influenced by another book, books would suck. Authors use elements from other works of literature to improve their own, and a novel that is entirely original would have little going for it. I think what people should be discussing is not whether Collins "copied" Scott, but how his work may have influenced the development of her story or the way people look at it.
I totally agree with you
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 01, 2012, 09:44:28 AM
Thanks!
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Luna Lovegood on May 01, 2012, 01:03:29 PM
I hate how people automatically assume that when two books are "similar," one is "copying" the other. If no book were ever influenced by another book, books would suck. Authors use elements from other works of literature to improve their own, and a novel that is entirely original would have little going for it. I think what people should be discussing is not whether Collins "copied" Scott, but how his work may have influenced the development of her story or the way people look at it.

you're my new best friend.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 01, 2012, 01:49:13 PM
I hate how people automatically assume that when two books are "similar," one is "copying" the other. If no book were ever influenced by another book, books would suck. Authors use elements from other works of literature to improve their own, and a novel that is entirely original would have little going for it. I think what people should be discussing is not whether Collins "copied" Scott, but how his work may have influenced the development of her story or the way people look at it.

Such is the way of the masses...why do you think Twilight is so bloody popular?
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 02, 2012, 07:23:05 AM
I hate how people automatically assume that when two books are "similar," one is "copying" the other. If no book were ever influenced by another book, books would suck. Authors use elements from other works of literature to improve their own, and a novel that is entirely original would have little going for it. I think what people should be discussing is not whether Collins "copied" Scott, but how his work may have influenced the development of her story or the way people look at it.

you're my new best friend.
Hi new best friend! :D But I think I might have just managed to vocalize what a lot of people were thinking...
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 02, 2012, 07:25:33 AM
I hate how people automatically assume that when two books are "similar," one is "copying" the other. If no book were ever influenced by another book, books would suck. Authors use elements from other works of literature to improve their own, and a novel that is entirely original would have little going for it. I think what people should be discussing is not whether Collins "copied" Scott, but how his work may have influenced the development of her story or the way people look at it.

Such is the way of the masses...why do you think Twilight is so bloody popular?
I think it's popular because it's an easy, fast read that doesn't require a huge time or intellectual commitment and also has a character that it is easy to put yourself in the place of because she's so generic. My mom once said that "twilight is like a twinkie: You eat it, and you know it's bad for you, but you enjoy it while you're eating it, and then when you're done, you look at your plate and think, "why did I just eat that? It was disgusting."
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 02, 2012, 09:11:04 AM
You're mom sums it up pretty damn good.
And DO NOT get me started on Bella's genericness. God. If I had a choice, I'd capture her, cut out her brain, and replace it with the preserved one of Hester Shaw. Poor girl deserves something better for what she's been through. Shaw, I mean, not Bella.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 03, 2012, 06:59:11 AM
You're mom sums it up pretty damn good.
And DO NOT get me started on Bella's genericness. God. If I had a choice, I'd capture her, cut out her brain, and replace it with the preserved one of Hester Shaw. Poor girl deserves something better for what she's been through. Shaw, I mean, not Bella.
What's Hester Shaw from? I see the name a lot on the internet :O
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 03, 2012, 09:22:23 AM
She's one of the main characters from Philip Reeve's Mortal Engines Quartet, known in the States as the Hungry City Chronicles. Its quite possibly the best steampunk series of all time. Hester herself is the most badass chick in all of steampunk; she kills a dude with a typewriter at one point in the series. Oh, and she has a massive scar from a sword swipe that took out her eye and most of her nose at age 7.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 03, 2012, 10:33:03 AM
Should I read it? I'm assuming that's a yes :D I'll put it on the birthday list :D
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 03, 2012, 11:15:11 AM
Yes, you should DEFENANTLY read it. If you like Westerfelds work, you'll really enjoy Reeves.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 03, 2012, 11:39:46 AM
Sweet. On my list. Birthday's coming up in June :D
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 03, 2012, 11:55:22 AM
Woo. Another one to ad; Airborn, by Kenneth Oppel. It's main character is basically Deryn with balls. Seriously. Matt Cruise and Deryn Sharp are SCARRILY similar.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 03, 2012, 12:00:21 PM
I'll put it down! :D I love new books. I have so many to finish though :O Almost all of John Green's books, and also Clockwork Prince :P I'm terrible.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 03, 2012, 12:01:21 PM
At least you have ones to look forward too. I get a new book and I'm done with it in a day or so.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 03, 2012, 12:04:28 PM
That's how I usually am, but I've been pretty horrible lately with actually reading when I have time to read :P The band season is over, though, so I should have time now xD
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 03, 2012, 01:20:24 PM
Ah, yes, a life. Wish I had one.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 03, 2012, 08:45:58 PM
I don't, I just join a bunch of stuff so it looks like I do xD
Being in band is an alternative to having friends. Or homework time. Or sleep.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 04, 2012, 01:10:36 AM
Ah, the old nerd standby of activity-hording.
And we're literary nerds. We're like the most badass characters; we don't need sleep.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 04, 2012, 04:39:45 AM
Or we get it in creative ways  ;D I slept in the art wing hallway once when I stayed at school from 7AM to 9PM for band.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 04, 2012, 06:23:04 AM
That works. Like how I used to nap in my gym locker during class. I'm not the most athletic person, and several of the dudes in my class obviously used SOMETHING cause they were HUGE. So, instead of getting outrun by sweaty high schoollers, I just went to my locker and napped till class ended.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 04, 2012, 06:35:14 AM
My gym class consisted of me, two of the biggest players on the football team, the two best players on the basketball team, a few hockey players, and most of the varsity field hockey team. I had the best grade in the class :D
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 04, 2012, 06:44:57 AM
Very nice. I LOVE when brain beats brawn.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 04, 2012, 06:48:44 AM
The coach called me out in the weight room for being the only one actually doing anything, and all the athletic guys' faces turned red. It was pretty sad.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 04, 2012, 06:49:39 AM
BRUTAL. What the hell were the rest of them doing, what the guys in my gym class did?
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 04, 2012, 06:54:46 AM
Their idea of lifting weights is holding them in one hand... with their cell phones in the other xD
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 04, 2012, 06:59:58 AM
"Yeah. Yeah. I know, right? What? Now? Lifting weights, why?"
Noobs. Show them REAL strenght
"Scuse me while I pull this car with my teeth."
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 04, 2012, 07:07:03 AM
Hehe xD Maybe someone should make them play sousaphone for a day or so :D
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 04, 2012, 07:08:45 AM
Heh. That'll teach em good.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 04, 2012, 07:10:29 AM
Our sousaphone player is a 98 pound freshman girl (She's five foot even) who puts her instrument on by holding it on the ground and crawling into it, then standing up, because she can't lift over her head. It's kind of comical.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 04, 2012, 07:13:23 AM
Sounds like Noodle from Gorillaz...
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 04, 2012, 07:23:01 AM
Never seen/read that, what's it from?
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 04, 2012, 11:02:05 AM
It's actually a band. Look it up on Wikipedia. It's good stuff.
Basically for clarification; Noodle is a Japanese teen girl who plays a guitar almost as big as she is.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 04, 2012, 11:07:43 AM
Ohhh okay xD
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 04, 2012, 11:08:26 AM
Yeah. Still, check out the band. Their music is good, and...well, I won't spoil the good stuff. Just look it up.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 04, 2012, 11:09:47 AM
Just did :D I'll check it out when I finish eating.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 04, 2012, 11:10:35 AM
Good plan. I myself should go nom on something.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 04, 2012, 11:16:46 AM
I kind of totally forgot to eat dinner. It's 9:14. Usually I'm hungrier this time of day because my idea of "lunch" consists of an apple and a water bottle, but our school had a bomb threat and they let us out early, so I got pizza with two of my friends to celebrate missing an hour and a half of history tests.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 04, 2012, 11:42:41 AM
Okay, WOW. Bomb threat; VERY BAD. Missing tests and getting pizza: very good.
Where the hell do you live, anyway? I didn't hear anything about this...
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 04, 2012, 11:59:02 AM
Cape Cod, Massachusetts xD It was confirmed as a hoax within an hour of being received, so it probably didn't make the news.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 04, 2012, 02:25:28 PM
Ah, that would explain it. Cape Cod, huh? Bet you could have seen Goliath go off from there...
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 04, 2012, 08:49:05 PM
Haha xD It's the most boring place in the world. There's nothing to do and most of the people are really unfriendly and racist. There's a drug problem and everyone hates the public schools (even though they're not that bad, I go to one and I'm an honors student, and I love it.)
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 05, 2012, 12:46:15 AM
So my uncle wasn't being sarcastic when he said Cape Cod is racist on the phone. Huh. Better not bring my girlfriend there. Meaning that the whole thing is open to fic ideas.
And actually, everyone hates the public schools here in Seattle too. But I like em. I think a lot of it is in the eye of the beholder. And also wither or not the people doing the complaining got their heads shoved in trash cans during their time at school.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 05, 2012, 04:31:08 AM
It's racist in a subtle way. No real hate crime, it's just sort of... subliminal. A lot of it has to do with the fact that all the jobs are service jobs that don't require a lot of education, so they're easy to fill up with immigrants from Brazil, Haiti and Jamaica, and a lot of white people blame them for the economic problems. You can't blame them. If I lived in either of those countries I'd want to leave.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 05, 2012, 04:37:41 AM
Oh...got ya. And I'd want to get my ass out of those places pretty quickly too. Apperently, the favela level in Modern Warfare 2 was based on an actual section of Rio. WOULD NOT WANT TO LIVE THERE, I tell you.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 05, 2012, 04:39:19 AM
Definitely not. And I think part of the reason people like one of the public schools more than the other two is because it's almost all white kids and almost no immigrants. Pretty sad.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 05, 2012, 04:44:24 AM
Sounds like it. Education should be spread to everyone. Would certainly make the world a better place.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 05, 2012, 04:51:20 AM
It would. I get so mad when people talk about how other countries don't have a universal education system and some guy in the back says something like, "I'm jealous," or "Lucky." They totally don't appreciate it.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 05, 2012, 05:36:06 AM
Yeah. Well, show's what they know. Like Tea Partier (no offense if you are one. You seem too clear-headed to be in with that kind of stuff).
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 05, 2012, 05:40:28 AM
Lol I don't have a political alignment yet. I don't consider myself well informed enough.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 05, 2012, 06:17:45 AM
Well in that case, avoid the Tea Party. They're about as close to extremists as you can get in a political party.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 05, 2012, 06:47:02 AM
Will keep in mind.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 05, 2012, 06:53:07 AM
Yeah...and we got here from Hunger Games Vs. Uglies HOW?
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 05, 2012, 06:56:46 AM
Um.... I HAVE NO IDEA ACTUALLY. I'm still wondering how we got here from bomb threats and pizza.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 05, 2012, 09:10:24 AM
Good question. Eh. No one else seems to be joining in for some reason.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 05, 2012, 09:20:02 AM
We kind of dominated this whole section  :o
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 05, 2012, 09:30:47 AM
Yeah...you wanna just cut it off here and see if anyone else replys besides us?
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 05, 2012, 09:43:34 AM
I think the topics were already kind of done by that point, but if you wanna.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 05, 2012, 09:45:47 AM
Whatever works for you. I'm not above grinding posts.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 05, 2012, 09:55:52 AM
No clue what that means but I think I agree!
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 05, 2012, 10:01:17 AM
Basically just doing what we're doing; posting back and forth on a subject that no one else has used for a while covering every subject but what is actually on the title.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 05, 2012, 10:04:31 AM
Sounds like fun!
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 05, 2012, 10:06:36 AM
Well, we've been doing it for quite a while on this one...so why let the fun stop now?
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 05, 2012, 10:12:48 AM
Exactly! Everyone else can join us when they feel like it.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 05, 2012, 10:22:37 AM
Albiet no one seems to...maybe they have other things to do.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 05, 2012, 10:27:53 AM
Most people kind of stick to Conversations and Off Topic.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 05, 2012, 10:32:55 AM
I've noticed. Which is kinda lame, because the reason I got on here was to discuss the series...and yet, even amongst my fellow Westerfeldians, I am alone.  :'(
Guess this is what I get for knowing so much about the series's and their universes...I scare some people off some times.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 05, 2012, 10:35:38 AM
Haha :D I like the social aspect, but it would be nice if we kept up some more intellectual conversations.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 05, 2012, 10:44:37 AM
I'm all for that! Okay, well, the subject over this is Hunger Games Vs. Uglies...oh, got an idea; how well do you think Tally (Special version of her, mind you) would do in the Hunger Games?
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 05, 2012, 10:45:52 AM
Pretty damn good. She's got her sneak suit, so she can hide, and she's pretty ruthless. She'd probably win.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 05, 2012, 10:47:56 AM
I'm thinking the same. Despite what those who run the Suvdu Cage Fight web section think. They thought Katniss would take Tally out easily. Not likely. I'd say that sneak-suit would be a game-breaker. Also; she can eat just about anything. Meaning that she can drop any food she finds as a trap. Lure two offerings too it, crack their heads together like coconuts.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 05, 2012, 10:53:42 AM
Yeah, Tally definitely has the sci-fi advantage. Katniss would take her out when she was ugly, but that's just due to bow practice versus no practice.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 05, 2012, 10:55:55 AM
Also, Tally had a pretty gentle childhood. Her worst problem was, what, angst? Katniss had death reaching under her shirt and trying to grope her all the time.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 05, 2012, 10:57:40 AM
"Katniss had death reaching under her shirt and trying to grope her all the time." New favorite quote. Tally's childhood was beyond gentle, she wouldn't stand a chance.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 05, 2012, 11:02:48 AM
Thank you. I've found that some of the best quotes are often a little risque.  :D
Yeah. She'd get waxed in the first couple hours.
Which of course now has me thinking of how Hester Shaw would do. Her childhood is the exact opposite.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 05, 2012, 11:03:59 AM
I need to read this book so I can get those references! Aaaaaaaa. Maybe I'll give my mom some money and download book 1 on my kindle :P
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 05, 2012, 11:10:55 AM
Sorry I keep making them. I'm a little obsessed with the series right now since I started reading the prequels.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 05, 2012, 11:11:32 AM
S'okay :D I do that too.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 05, 2012, 11:13:41 AM
Yay.
Hmm...now, here's another good question; how do you think Katniss would do if she were put with the New Smokies? Obviously her arrow skills would make her valuable to them. You think she'd fall for David too and start a love quadrangle?
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 05, 2012, 11:16:26 AM
I don't think she'd go for David... probably. She'd probably cause some smoke drama xD
What clique do you think she'd join in New Pretty Town?
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 05, 2012, 11:20:11 AM
Yeah, that goes without saying.
Hmmm...what about that one that dresses up in leaves and stuff? Naturals. Seems like that'd be her deal.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 05, 2012, 11:21:23 AM
I think it would. Or maybe she'd join a fashion clique, after Cinna's "hobby" he invented for her.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 05, 2012, 11:24:04 AM
Good point. They don't mention on in Bogus to Bubbly, but I'd guess there'd be a clique like that.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 05, 2012, 11:28:28 AM
It's probably so stereotypically pretty it's not worth mentioning xD
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 05, 2012, 11:33:09 AM
That's my thoughts. One of those cliques that Tally would ignore. The once she notices are all the really cool ones. Though I have to wonder if my Mil's idea would be possible in that universe. I hope so. Actually, I could fill you in on that. It's techincally Uglies related.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 05, 2012, 11:34:31 AM
Would that be, like, military nerds of the future? I think it would work, but it would be all history based, since war isn't supposed to exist for them.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 05, 2012, 11:36:54 AM
Wow, you actually guessed it! Most other people I talk to have no clue.
But actually, they reenact stuff too. Like, they go parachuting. And their clothing is all military style from history. And they all have military ranks instead of names. At least, amongst themselves. And, of course, when they ping each other they end their transmissions with "over".
Actually one of them managed to reverse-engineer a walkie talkie from something he found in the Armory, so they have a way to communicate without the city listening in.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 05, 2012, 11:38:12 AM
Sounds pretty awesome :D You clearly put some thought into this. Sounds like a decent fanfiction, actually.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 05, 2012, 11:44:50 AM
Actually, that's where it came from. I wanted to write some Uglies smut (yes, yes, I know. But hey, there's no good smut for it. I've taken it upon myself to write good smut for good smut-less series). Basically, I was thinking about how (in Pretties, I think) someone mentions how seeing a pretty for the first time can cause someone to go slightly crazy and think they love them because they aren't used to it. Or something like that. And it was based on that. The basic premise was this really new pretty girl (think less than a week post-operation) doing the group's initiation ritual (jumping off New Pretty Town's tallest building with nothing but a replica parachute), getting caught in a pleasure garden tree and being helped down by this boy she saw earlier. She falls for him, they get drunk on free booze, and nekid park sexiness ensued. Then I realized that the idea of a clique like that was dead awesome, and I started fleshing them out more. Right now they're just kicking around my head.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 05, 2012, 11:47:37 AM
Haha :D Fanfiction smut is therapeutic. It has to exist.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 05, 2012, 11:52:30 AM
Rule 34 must be made right. And I've done it before; I wrote the only smut for Mortal Engines, and then the first real one for Leviathan. Well, there was that one porn story on adultfanfiction.net, but no one's read that one. And the rest of the ones on the fanfiction.net section weren't that good. Two were slash (blegh!!!!), another was semi-readable and kind of grammatically uneven and uncanonial (the Leviathan doesn't have showers, people), and the last one came out a couple months after Leviathan was released, and it wasn't even really smut. Just Alek feeling Deryn up. And that scene was that the very end of a bunch of other random stuff. I can actually give you links, if you want.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 05, 2012, 11:55:01 AM
Lol xD I've read a couple. There aren't many, though. There was one that came out a while ago but I think the person took it down.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 05, 2012, 12:12:40 PM
In the Leviathan section? Yeah, someone took theirs down I think. Hell if I know why.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 05, 2012, 12:25:19 PM
I think it might have been one of the good ones, too. A shame.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 05, 2012, 12:27:59 PM
I think we're thinking of different ones then. The one that got taken down was slash.
Well, I'm going to write more Leviathan smut. My first one seems pretty accepted.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 05, 2012, 12:32:00 PM
Have fun!
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 05, 2012, 12:41:45 PM
Oh, I shall. I finally get a chance to put down all the deep, dark, Darwinist thougths we KNOW are running through Deryn's head but Westerfeld couldn't write because of censership.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 05, 2012, 12:45:07 PM
:D Darwinism. It's awesome and an innuendo!
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 05, 2012, 12:53:31 PM
I know, isn't it? A lot of people seem to forget that evolution requires reproduction to work. How does reproduction work? Sex. What is the empire of Darwinism built on? Evolution.
You connect the dots.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: SecretAgentCaboose on May 05, 2012, 12:54:02 PM
Umm... I come onto this thread and I see this?
I know, isn't it? A lot of people seem to forget that evolution requires reproduction to work. How does reproduction work? Sex. What is the empire of Darwinism built on? Evolution.
You connect the dots.
Umm...
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 05, 2012, 12:55:07 PM
Heh.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: SecretAgentCaboose on May 05, 2012, 12:55:46 PM
LOL
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 05, 2012, 12:57:52 PM
Yeah. And hey, someone else actually joined!
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: SecretAgentCaboose on May 05, 2012, 12:58:24 PM
?
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 05, 2012, 01:01:50 PM
Yeah. Been chatting with Khoela almost exclussively for the last couple hours.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: SecretAgentCaboose on May 05, 2012, 01:02:34 PM
Okay.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 05, 2012, 09:52:19 PM
Lol, hey guys!
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 06, 2012, 03:25:41 AM
You rise again to illuminate us with your nerdy light. Awesome.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 06, 2012, 03:36:33 AM
Haha! :D
It's one thirty, but it feels like morning still -.-
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 06, 2012, 04:34:08 AM
Wait, what- oh, right, three our time difference. It's only 11:30 here on the West Coast.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 06, 2012, 05:17:09 AM
When I was out west I would wake up at 6:30 and be eating breakfast with one of our hosts who had to work early while everyone else was still in bed. And then I'd fall asleep on the ride home from wherever we were visiting that day. At seven.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 06, 2012, 05:23:49 AM
Weird...gotta love time dilation.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 06, 2012, 06:30:40 AM
It's so confusing :P And then I slept in for a week when I got back.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 06, 2012, 06:35:53 AM
Heh. Was how I felt when I got back from New York last time I was there. Epic jet lag.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 06, 2012, 06:38:14 AM
Yup. I wanna go to New York :P I live like four hours away but I've never been except to drive through on my way south. My band is going to DC this year, though :D
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 06, 2012, 06:43:17 AM
I REALLY want to go to DC. See the Smithsonian. And New York is cool. Ironically, last time I was there I re-read Leviathan. Funny how the charcters would end up there later...
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 06, 2012, 06:55:44 AM
I know!
I'm hoping we check out the Smithsonian. I mean, what else are we gonna do?
We got to see the Air Force museum in Dayton, which was cool.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 06, 2012, 07:00:43 AM
See memorials, the White House, standard tourest stuff.
Oh man, I want to go to that SO BAD too! They've got some experemental aircraft there, don't they?
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 06, 2012, 07:02:54 AM
I'm not sure, our Air Force guru graduated last year so half the time I wasn't sure what I was looking at. They have two huge rooms just full of planes, though. So cool.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 06, 2012, 07:06:50 AM
MUST GO. I am a plane fanatic. Actually, I think there's a specific word for people who have fetishes for sex in planes. That's me.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 06, 2012, 07:25:20 AM
Sounds fun  :o
My friends and I ended up carrying around our mascot, the Ironic Justin Bieber Doll, and taking pictures of him with planes. My FB cover photo is me, Justin, and a large plane.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 06, 2012, 07:27:30 AM
Heh. An ironic justin bieber doll, huh? Guess you're immune to "Beiber Fever." Good. Nice mascot as well. That for your school, or just you?
That sounds like an awesome Facebook picture. Mine's a dolphin.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 06, 2012, 07:28:28 AM
For me and my roommates. Our school mascot is a dolphin. We call him Phinneas.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 06, 2012, 07:31:17 AM
Ah. Oh, that is just too COOL. Mine were a panther in middle school and a BEAVER in high school. Lame. I suggested that we change the mascot of our high school to something more threatening (Ballard, the neighborhood it's in, has a viking tradition, so I suggested an orca with a horned helmet and a battle ax), but they said no.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 06, 2012, 07:33:52 AM
That's disappointing. My band made friends with a band from CT whose mascot is the Thunderbolt. "It sounds cool," they said, "But it kind of doesn't exist..."
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 06, 2012, 09:49:25 AM
You could say that...
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 06, 2012, 10:18:11 AM
They make fun of it all the time, it's really funny xD I bought a Thunderbolts shirt at a competition at their stadium last year.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 06, 2012, 11:02:13 AM
Heh. I can see how that would be enjoyable.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 06, 2012, 11:05:36 AM
:D I like it.
Mind if I write an Uglies fanfic along the same lines as yours, but from the POV of a girl from Idaho who rides out on her horse looking for other survivors and finds a camp?
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 06, 2012, 11:47:17 AM
Yes, please. I can already see it; she's a farm girl, living on a farm that's run "naturally" by her dad, a former Monsanto ex who left the company and decided to get back to the land. It's all organinc, and they use animals instead of machines to harvest, so the Oil Bug doesn't effect them. She sees the fire in the sky from the Bug, and goes to investigate. Cue her running into the survivors from Seattle.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 06, 2012, 11:49:00 AM
Pretty close to what I was getting at xD What if the camp ends up being her home, since she's got a renewable food source, and she welcomes the Seattle survivors because she knows she's not going to survive alone?
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 06, 2012, 12:00:21 PM
Maybe. So, is her family dead from the bug, or what? Cause the way I see it, the Seattle survivors are in complete shit at that point. All they have with them are their hydrogen powered vehicles, and anything non-plastic. In fact, several of them died in transit because their stuff caught fire.
Or are you seeing this happening a while later?
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 06, 2012, 12:01:21 PM
I'm thinking her parents died maybe on a supply run? Right at the beginning of the bug?
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 06, 2012, 12:06:12 PM
Oh, okay, I see. They go into town, she's left behind to watch the farm, bug hits their place, they get flash cooked...and she's stuck there with her animals and no support. A bit of time goes by, she realizes she's on her own, lets go the animals on the farm to roam free, then mounts up her trusty horse with all the provisions she has and rides off. Finds the remaining Seattlites, invites them back to her farm, and there we go.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 06, 2012, 12:07:24 PM
Sounds like a plan!
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 06, 2012, 12:08:29 PM
Yay! Now I just need to restart my story. Shouldn't be too hard.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 06, 2012, 12:08:55 PM
I've got a beginning. I'll ping it to you?
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 06, 2012, 12:10:00 PM
Sure. Heh. "Ping". You do that on perpous, or is that what you actually use?
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 06, 2012, 12:11:36 PM
The forum used to call PMs "pings." I don't know if that died or not, I just returned this week after a six month absence.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 06, 2012, 12:13:38 PM
Well, I'm taking it and using it myself from now on. Damn easier to say than "PM". Also, sounds less like it has to do with menstration.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 06, 2012, 12:14:45 PM
Heh, never noticed that. PMs->PMS.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 06, 2012, 12:18:28 PM
Thank you! Someone else sees it.
Now, if only I could get an interface ring...
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 06, 2012, 12:20:59 PM
I want an eyescreen.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 06, 2012, 12:24:53 PM
Oh god yes...hell, I want most of the tech from that universe. Hoverboard, ring, that camping gear...pretty much everything except the surgery. I mean, I would willingly get surge, but not to make myself look better. I'd turn myself into a freaking Spartan-II; something to give Specials nightmares about.
On that, and a related subject to the story, how much do you think it would take to kill a Special? I've always wondered that, cause they only ever fight helpless teens. What if they went up against someone with training and skills? Say, the leader of my Mils group, finally deciding he's had enough of peace and wants to bring back the good old bad old days?
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 06, 2012, 12:26:10 PM
A lot, I presume. Unless he's got some pretty awesome gunpower.
Shared the story with you.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 06, 2012, 12:31:17 PM
Well, that's what magnum special rounds are for.
Saw it. Working on it as we speak. Though you can probalby tell.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Treya-Chan on May 06, 2012, 01:10:19 PM
DUDE hunger games is nothing like Uglies!
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 06, 2012, 01:12:59 PM
Both contain a large metaphor about the media's hold on society. Both have symbolic love triangles. Both have a main character who goes from being no one to the most famous person in her society. In terms of writing style and worldbuilding, though, they're miles apart.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 06, 2012, 01:14:17 PM
Also, one is much more gritty and dark than the other.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Treya-Chan on May 06, 2012, 01:15:11 PM
Yeah
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 06, 2012, 01:15:22 PM
Also, one is much more gritty and dark than the other.
Assuming you're referring to Uglies?
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 06, 2012, 01:26:00 PM
Actually, the other way around. Tally doesn't have death trying to grope her, remember.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Treya-Chan on May 06, 2012, 01:28:41 PM
I thought you were talking about Hunger games
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 06, 2012, 02:12:13 PM
I was. It's darker than Uglies is. By a lot.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 06, 2012, 11:50:34 PM
Okay, good. I was about to argue with that, haha.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 07, 2012, 03:00:05 AM
Yeah, no contest. We discussed this before. You yourself said Tally's childhood was beyond gentle, and I said (to qoute myself) something along the lines of "Katniss had death consatntly reaching up her shirt and trying to grope her".
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 07, 2012, 03:06:49 AM
Ahh, I remember now.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 07, 2012, 03:27:04 AM
Yeah. I actually saved that qoute and put it on my fanfiction.net profile.  ;D
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 07, 2012, 04:03:20 AM
Good move xD
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 07, 2012, 04:23:04 AM
Yeah, something like that needs to be remembered.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 07, 2012, 11:46:23 AM
Absolutely.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 07, 2012, 11:50:56 AM
I told it to my girlfriend today, she laughed so hard she almost chocked on the free chocolate we were eating.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 07, 2012, 11:52:31 AM
Haha!
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 07, 2012, 11:54:46 AM
Yeah. I started to do the Heimlich manuver (she sounded really bad, and I just wanted to play it safe) but she managed to hack up the tuffle and it ended up looking like I was humping her against the window. Got a strange look from this old lady until she realized what was going on.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 07, 2012, 11:57:39 AM
That sounds kind of funny, actually xD Although extremely awkward.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 07, 2012, 12:06:04 PM
Was a little bit, yeah. But hey; at least our date wasn't boring.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 07, 2012, 12:24:40 PM
Good point. xD
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 07, 2012, 12:27:59 PM
No one likes boring dates. Though with her, they usually aren't. We actually spent the time discussing books.
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Khoela on May 07, 2012, 12:40:15 PM
Clearly you're a good match, then!
Title: Re: Hunger Games VS Uglies
Post by: Straif on May 07, 2012, 12:47:44 PM
Most defenantly.