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Title: Stephenie Meyer plagiarized Twilight
Post by: Seth-la on May 15, 2012, 10:05:49 AM
Twilight(the first couple books or so) is really a mix of The Vampire Diaries and The Southern Vampires/Sookie Stackhouse/True Blood novels.

The Vampire Diaries
-Normal high school girl is caught between two vampires, one who legitimately cares for her, and one who just wants her because the other has her(at first).
-The small town is rumored to have first been settled by natives, coincedentally, one of the native's descendants is a werewolf and the curse has been passed down through family
-The three first main baddies are all vampires; Damon:the one who wants Elena for just her blood and because his brother HAS her; Katherine:the female vampire who is the original lover of both the brothers; Klaus: the maker of Katherine who is a "bad" vampire with not much other personality.
-Bonnie is psychic
-Elena becomes a vampire

True Blood
-Sookie, a human waitress, has the ability to read the minds of others, but not vampires. This is her reason for liking Bill(the vampire of a better nature) at first.
-Two vampires find interest in Sookie, Bill(the "good" vampire) and Eric(the vampire with only bloodlust for Sookie(at first))
-A werewolf later comes into play making this love triangle a square

Twilight
-Normal high school girl becomes the focus of a vampire who is of the "good" nature(Edward) and a vampire that only wants her for blood and because the other vamp has her(James)
-The small town is rumored to have been settled by natives who happen to be a line of werewolves
-one of the werewolves comes into play to make a love triangle
-There are three original vampire baddies; James-the one who wants Bella for blood and because Edward has her; Victoria: the female vampire who is James lover; Laurent: the other "bad" vampire with not much other personality.
-Edward can read minds and originally is interested in Bella because he can't read hers
-Alice is psychic
-Bella becomes a vampire
Title: Re: Stephenie Meyer plagerized Twilight
Post by: Bea-la on May 15, 2012, 10:07:53 AM
Interesting, but not really plagiarism.  :P
Title: Re: Stephenie Meyer plagiarized Twilight
Post by: Seth-la on May 15, 2012, 11:05:25 AM
Plagiarism is actually the use of someone else's ideas without citation. It doesn't matter if you change the names or tweak little things, it doesn't make it your own. Research papers teach you that. All that paraphrasing doesn't need to be sited crap they teach early on is just a lie so you don't kill yourself before you get to real research papers.
Title: Re: Stephenie Meyer plagiarized Twilight
Post by: Polandeer on May 15, 2012, 12:43:10 PM
There's a difference between getting ideas and plagiarism. Nothing is original:
http://www.everythingisaremix.info/nothing-is-original/
http://www.everythingisaremix.info/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcvd5JZkUXY

Therefore, under you definition, everything is plagiarism except everything natural.
Title: Re: Stephenie Meyer plagiarized Twilight
Post by: Seth-la on May 15, 2012, 12:51:10 PM
There's a difference between getting ideas and plagiarism. Nothing is original:
http://www.everythingisaremix.info/nothing-is-original/
http://www.everythingisaremix.info/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcvd5JZkUXY

Therefore, under you definition, everything is plagiarism except everything natural.
You don't have to down talk everyone KDE. I get that people can have similar ideas. I've defended many books, such as Hunger Games, when people say that she just stole the idea from Battle Royale or The Running Man, etc. It's one thing to have a similar concept, it's another thing to have a carbon copy.

With a similar concept . . .THAT'S ALL THERE IS. There is almost NOTHING else that is the same. If I had said that Stephenie Meyer had plagiarized because she wrote ABOUT VAMPIRES I would have been talking in a way that your comment applies to. That is just ignorant. Instead I pointed several parellels in her story to two other stories that supported the idea that she took more than a concept.

If you found an idea or opinion that you liked and then you stated your opinion(which was the same as you had found, say online) and you used similar points to support yourself as the online source used in an essay for school then you would get busted for plagiarism and probably get an F.

EDIT: Oh and google plagiarize and look at the top definition provided by dictionary.com(this is what it says in case you don't search it)
"Take(the work or an idea of someone else) and pass it off as one's own"
Title: Re: Stephenie Meyer plagiarized Twilight
Post by: Straif on May 15, 2012, 01:16:25 PM
I'm just going to say, I don't care if she actually did plagerise or not, I'm going to use this to bash down Twilight fans who get up in my face.
Title: Re: Stephenie Meyer plagiarized Twilight
Post by: Seth-la on May 15, 2012, 01:18:44 PM
Please do, I got so tired of Twi-hards whining when Vampire Diaries became a tv show, saying how IT was a rip off of TWILIGHT! IT'S ALMOST 10 YEARS OLDER!
Title: Re: Stephenie Meyer plagiarized Twilight
Post by: Straif on May 15, 2012, 01:20:41 PM
Is it? Interesting. I don't really follow that whole vampire romance thing. I'd rather rip one apart or step on it with a mech than kiss it.
Title: Re: Stephenie Meyer plagiarized Twilight
Post by: Seth-la on May 15, 2012, 01:27:15 PM
Yeah, I'm sad to say I have some guilty pleasure books like Vampire Diaries. Although I find L.J. Smith's supernatural stuff to be much more sophisticated. In her Night World series she explains Vampires scientifically, they have an adaptation in their blood that causes them to have all those great abilities(better strength, speed, etc.) but their blood lost the ability to carry oxygen, so they must take human(or animal) blood so that they can get oxygen and the whole thing about "thirst" is really a feeling of slowly drowning when they start to run out of oxygen and human blood cells.
Title: Re: Stephenie Meyer plagiarized Twilight
Post by: Straif on May 15, 2012, 01:36:46 PM
Hey, to each their own. And that explanation makes a lot of sense. Super human abilities would come at a cost, I think.
Title: Re: Stephenie Meyer plagiarized Twilight
Post by: Seth-la on May 15, 2012, 01:38:26 PM
EXACTLY!!! That's part of the reason I like L.J. Smith's books.
Title: Re: Stephenie Meyer plagiarized Twilight
Post by: Straif on May 15, 2012, 01:41:20 PM
Backs up the strange things they do with cold, hard science and reality. I like that. Part of the reason I hate magic; not enough rules, far to many things that you can and can't do for no reason.
Title: Re: Stephenie Meyer plagiarized Twilight
Post by: Seth-la on May 15, 2012, 01:43:01 PM
I still love magic and all that stuff but I tend to back it up in my head even if the author doesn't. ;)
Title: Re: Stephenie Meyer plagiarized Twilight
Post by: Straif on May 15, 2012, 01:46:59 PM
Same here. Even when it's not magic I do that. I have head canon explanations for most of the stuff in Leviathan and Uglies.
Title: Re: Stephenie Meyer plagiarized Twilight
Post by: tridecagirl on May 15, 2012, 09:18:15 PM
I don't know... I mean, a lot of the stuff seems similar, but stuff like love triangles and revenge plots pop up everywhere. I don't think you could really accuse her of plagarism. That's a serious accusation for an author, and you usually need like, identical blocks of text to really say it's that.
Title: Re: Stephenie Meyer plagiarized Twilight
Post by: Polandeer on May 15, 2012, 11:48:58 PM
I don't know... I mean, a lot of the stuff seems similar, but stuff like love triangles and revenge plots pop up everywhere. I don't think you could really accuse her of plagarism. That's a serious accusation for an author, and you usually need like, identical blocks of text to really say it's that.
Yes, identical sentences, blocks of text, and/or obvious paraphrasing.

... [1] It's one thing to have a similar concept, it's another thing to have a carbon copy....
[2] Oh and google plagiarize and look at the top definition provided by dictionary.com(this is what it says in case you don't search it)
"Take(the work or an idea of someone else) and pass it off as one's own"
[1] It never was a carbon copy:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/16/Karbonkopia_2008.jpg/640px-Karbonkopia_2008.jpg)
Like I wrote earlier. It's not exact copying. It wouldn't be published in the first place if that was true.

[2] Dictionary.com, which BTW I don't like says:
(http://i.imgur.com/oLArR.png)
and if that's too large:
(http://i.imgur.com/WFmvR.png)

[3] I haven't even read Twilight so I don't know
Title: Re: Stephenie Meyer plagiarized Twilight
Post by: Seth-la on May 16, 2012, 08:47:48 AM
I don't know... I mean, a lot of the stuff seems similar, but stuff like love triangles and revenge plots pop up everywhere. I don't think you could really accuse her of plagarism. That's a serious accusation for an author, and you usually need like, identical blocks of text to really say it's that.
I was just putting what I thought out there. 

@KDE But as for plagiarism, it is plagiarism if you use the idea and just change some things(put it in your own words) if you don't cite it. High school research papers will teach you that. And when I said carbon copy I was talking metaphorically, I didn't legitimately think it was a carbon copy.
Title: Re: Stephenie Meyer plagiarized Twilight
Post by: Beth-la on May 16, 2012, 09:48:16 AM
According to my newspaper/journalism class, plagiarism is still plagiarism, even if you change a few of the words around. As an editor, I can't tell you the number of times idiots have turned in stories with a few words changed and totally deny it being plagiarized.  :P

I don't necessarily think Twilight was plagiarized. I think that it was written in the boom of vampire book and Meyer just didn't put in enough folklore, enough research, enough myth to truly justify it as an original (and when I say original, I mean truly unique) piece. If more thought was put into it, it could have been a much better series, albeit Meyer's writing skills which I don't find up to par with other author's.
Title: Re: Stephenie Meyer plagiarized Twilight
Post by: Seth-la on May 16, 2012, 01:00:24 PM
Thank you Beth! This topic now isn't even really about Twilight but the definition of plagiarism. Our English teachers(junior and senior year teachers both; I had the senior teacher this year for Gifted English) are very strict about that and they make sure we KNOW not to pull that stuff.
Title: Re: Stephenie Meyer plagiarized Twilight
Post by: Bea-la on May 17, 2012, 07:48:27 PM
I don't know... I mean, a lot of the stuff seems similar, but stuff like love triangles and revenge plots pop up everywhere. I don't think you could really accuse her of plagarism. That's a serious accusation for an author, and you usually need like, identical blocks of text to really say it's that.
lol, What about the Eragon series?
Title: Re: Stephenie Meyer plagiarized Twilight
Post by: tridecagirl on May 17, 2012, 11:23:18 PM
I don't know... I mean, a lot of the stuff seems similar, but stuff like love triangles and revenge plots pop up everywhere. I don't think you could really accuse her of plagarism. That's a serious accusation for an author, and you usually need like, identical blocks of text to really say it's that.
lol, What about the Eragon series?

Again, it's not technically 'plagiarism', just a blatant ripoff. I mean, a lot of people know he copied the story arc of Star Wars exactly, but it's not actually punishable.
Title: Re: Stephenie Meyer plagiarized Twilight
Post by: Straif on May 18, 2012, 12:32:45 AM
Especcially since Lucas technically copied a lot of other stuff to make Star Wars in the first place...
Title: Re: Stephenie Meyer plagiarized Twilight
Post by: tridecagirl on May 18, 2012, 08:30:05 AM
With Eragon you can seriously match exact scenes. It's ridiculous.

Lucas, I know, followed the Hero's Journey. Is that what you mean?
Title: Re: Stephenie Meyer plagiarized Twilight
Post by: Seth-la on May 18, 2012, 08:43:15 AM
With Eragon you can seriously match exact scenes. It's ridiculous.

Lucas, I know, followed the Hero's Journey. Is that what you mean?
I honestly think that Lucas could sue Paolini based on what I hear from you guys.
Title: Re: Stephenie Meyer plagiarized Twilight
Post by: Straif on May 18, 2012, 10:13:06 AM
He would...but he's already swimming in $1000 bills. He doesn't NEED more money.

And yes, pretty much.
Title: Re: Stephenie Meyer plagiarized Twilight
Post by: tridecagirl on May 19, 2012, 10:52:14 PM
With Eragon you can seriously match exact scenes. It's ridiculous.

Lucas, I know, followed the Hero's Journey. Is that what you mean?
I honestly think that Lucas could sue Paolini based on what I hear from you guys.

That's the thing. Since it's not actually plagarism, it's not actually sue-able.
Title: Re: Stephenie Meyer plagiarized Twilight
Post by: Seth-la on May 20, 2012, 01:14:21 PM
Ehh, a lawyer could easily argue it being plagiarism. Court is very tricky like that. Plus . . .people sue for the stupidest things, something like that should have a greater chance of winning than those things did(such as a burnt tongue because coffee was hot)
Title: Re: Stephenie Meyer plagiarized Twilight
Post by: Yuui11 on May 24, 2017, 04:34:56 AM
This is very old, but I've been waiting to say this since the first Twilight book début-ed. I read the Night World series by L.J. Smith first and while reading Twilight saga, had noted many similarities that I hadn't found in other novels. It was made very obvious that Stephanie Meyer had gone around and took things from other works and used them in her books. Apparently she never wrote it with the intention of publishing it, so it makes sense that she did this, but it's wrong that she made much fame off the series when other series like Night World hadn't.