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Why are the Germans the evil?
« on: December 02, 2012, 03:14:56 AM »

I just read Bemonth and Iīm a little bit angry, because- how could it be otherwise?- the Germans are the evil. Well, if you a Darwinist, they are your enemis, but Austria also, and in the book no one say somthing about ,Bad Austrians` or so.
I know, Germany isīnt so liked, because of all this teribell things in the secound world war, but this is almost 65 years ago.
And in WWI there were not ,good and bad' like in WWII. I think, you can not say, the Germans were all evil, and as I said I`m annoyed about this depiction in Bemonth. But whoever must be the bad. ;) What do you think about this?

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Re: Why are the Germans the evil?
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2012, 03:25:48 AM »

I guess the main character was Alek...

And the Germans were chasing him... That would lead to the Germans being the main antagonist of the whole story.

Of course, if it was told from the perspective of say a German boy, the Darwinist/ UK would be seen as the bad guys then.
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Re: Why are the Germans the evil?
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2012, 07:28:40 AM »

Simple. Leviathan was written with little moral ambiguity. If it were, then we would have seen more focus on the darker side of Darwinism and wouldn't be made to believe that everyone just accepted monstrous fabs except a few "Monkey Luddites" (a term which doesn't make a whole lot of sense, seeing as Luddites feared machines would take their jobs and weren't so much afraid of the machines themselves).

I've ranted enough on this point, so I'll leave it there.
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Re: Why are the Germans the evil?
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2012, 08:05:13 AM »

The Allies could also be thought of as evil considering the Treaty of Versailles.
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Re: Why are the Germans the evil?
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2012, 08:17:14 AM »

Mostly because of the POV of the main characters id think.
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Re: Why are the Germans the evil?
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2012, 01:27:34 PM »

POV, yeah. And because the majority of the world sees that era's Germans as the bad guys.
"History is written by the victors".

Simple. Leviathan was written with little moral ambiguity. If it were, then we would have seen more focus on the darker side of Darwinism and wouldn't be made to believe that everyone just accepted monstrous fabs except a few "Monkey Luddites" (a term which doesn't make a whole lot of sense, seeing as Luddites feared machines would take their jobs and weren't so much afraid of the machines themselves).

If we'd have been lucky we would have seen fabricated humans duking it out with cyborg Clankers and it would have been AWESOME...but nope, we see weak, simple Darwinist stuff instead of the glory that is genetic based combat. Oh well.
And the name, I think, means that (originally anyway) they were afraid that "monkeys" (fabricated apes probably) would take their jobs and then it got expanded to mean anyone who disliked fabrications. AKA religious people, AKA the first ones to be washed out of Darwin's Fist.
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Re: Why are the Germans the evil?
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2012, 02:37:57 PM »

All good points straif, but *facepalm*.  Sometimes I wonder how you manage to relate everything to DF.
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Re: Why are the Germans the evil?
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2012, 02:41:17 PM »

I don't. Its just a very good example. For those who get it anyway.
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Re: Why are the Germans the evil?
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2012, 02:43:40 PM »

Okay, well maybe not for EVERYTHING, but a lot of stuff.  And, yeah, that's a pretty good example.
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Re: Why are the Germans the evil?
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2012, 02:45:28 PM »

Heh.
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Re: Why are the Germans the evil?
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2012, 02:47:58 PM »

Straif, I just looked back at your first posts and in your first AND third post, you used the word 'yays'.  That seems really...unlike you.
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Trample the weak, hurtle the dead.

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Re: Why are the Germans the evil?
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2012, 02:51:03 PM »

I still use it sometimes. I just haven't had a reason to recently. Very...GLOOMY, my life.
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Re: Why are the Germans the evil?
« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2012, 02:52:37 PM »

AWWW SAD.  POOR STRAIF NO LONGER SAYS YAYS.  AS MUCH.  but it still kinda wierds me out that you say it at all.
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One by one, they ran away.  With their made up minds to leave it all behind, as the light began to fade from the city on the hill.

Trample the weak, hurtle the dead.

Mmmmmm Norwegian deer liver.

Of all the things I've lost I miss my mind the most.

I wouldn't push people I DONT like down a hill.

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Re: Why are the Germans the evil?
« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2012, 02:56:47 PM »

If we'd have been lucky we would have seen fabricated humans duking it out with cyborg Clankers and it would have been AWESOME...but nope, we see weak, simple Darwinist stuff instead of the glory that is genetic based combat.

Thankfully the Anti-Darwinist sentiment puts enough pressure -and general tolerance is only just enough- to prevent such atrocities from coming to be.
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Re: Why are the Germans the evil?
« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2012, 03:04:25 PM »

In Britian, aye, and look where THAT got them. Asses kicked by the Clankers at EVERY turn.
Which would be enough to tip the balance I think.
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