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Gentlebiscuit

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Is leviathan biased?
« on: November 22, 2014, 11:06:40 PM »

At first glance the leviathan series is about accepting different cultures and peaceful integration and cohabitation.

But it isn't.

Clankers are portrayed as dense, uneducated elitists, with the exception of Alek who realizes his mistake and becomes a Darwinist. It's not even given a single argument where a Clanker gets the last word, Darwinism is just better according to Scott. Clankers are idiots, any Clankers that aren't idiots become Darwinists.

End of story.

What do you guys think?
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Re: Is leviathan biased?
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2014, 01:22:36 AM »

What about Lillt and Zavern? They're clankers and weren't portrayed antagonist.
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Re: Is leviathan biased?
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2014, 01:45:56 AM »

And Volger and Klopp and Bauer and Hoffman and Alek's parents (who may not exactly count as characters if they're actual historical people, but they were Clankers and not idiots) and Nene?
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Re: Is leviathan biased?
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2014, 11:15:45 AM »

Yes, but in the case of Lilit, Zaven and Nene they were portrayed as eccentric and in Nene's case quite backward ["Don't be silly, It's elephants all the way down!"] while Volger, Klopp etc all eventually became Darwinists/ migrated to countries that allowed Darwinism.
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Re: Is leviathan biased?
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2014, 11:31:14 AM »

Well, they have to be a bit eccentric to stage a revolution, don't they?
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Re: Is leviathan biased?
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2014, 11:34:47 AM »

Regardless, sensible Clankers are seen as an exception rather than a rule and they usually end up becoming Darwinists/Pro Darwinism. Plus, it's made very clear that Scott thinks that Fabrications are just better. The entire series is spent with Deryn going on about how beautiful she thinks fabrications are until Alek agrees with her.
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Re: Is leviathan biased?
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2014, 05:32:25 PM »

Personally I think fabrications are inferior to machines.
But anyways, the story is based off WWI and it stands to reason after a war that the victors write the history books. Hence Darwinists portraying Clankers as 'dense, uneducated elitists'.

So yeah, I agree that it's a bit biased but with good reason.
« Last Edit: December 11, 2014, 11:39:56 PM by niggledafiggle »
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Re: Is leviathan biased?
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2014, 09:47:48 PM »

I agree with that, but the Leviathan series aren't meant to be history books, they're the personal stories of two people who have secrets that they would not allow to be put down in history.
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Re: Is leviathan biased?
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2014, 11:37:35 PM »

For most of the series Alek and Deryn spend more time with Darwinists than Clankers (Note: This is non-main characters so Volger etc are the exception) so their personal story would be more bent to favouring Darwinists than Clankers who in their experiences are trying to kill them, albeit for different reasons.


Though another series from a primarily Clanker perspective would be AMAZING. *Nudge Nudge Scott*
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Re: Is leviathan biased?
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2014, 11:20:10 AM »

I KNOW, THAT WOULD BE AMAYZAH.

But yeah, the only examples of 'cultural integration' that they give is Clankers becoming more like Darwinists, never the other way around. I would have liked it if maybe he had just considered that the Darwinists may have been wrong.
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Re: Is leviathan biased?
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2014, 07:26:43 PM »

Following the story of a Clanker land dreadnought like with Leviathan. YES
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Re: Is leviathan biased?
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2014, 11:05:02 AM »

I KNOW! 8D

I am now having terrifying images of fighting beasties on foot with sword and pistol.

THIS MUST BE WRITTEN.
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Re: Is leviathan biased?
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2014, 03:22:56 AM »

Yup. It always felt like Darwinists were way to wanked, when in the actual WWI the Central Powers were "Winning" for the most part.
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Re: Is leviathan biased?
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2014, 12:27:39 PM »

I know right? I would have liked a more balanced 'clash of ideology' story, perhaps with it switching between characters fighting both sides of one battle rather than a story about the dawn of a new age of Darwinism.
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